January 12th, 2008

Alan Watt as Guest on
"The Secret Truth"
with George Butler and Charlotte Littlefield Brown


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George Butler: Welcome to the Secret Truth.  I'm George Butler, along with...


Charlotte Littlefield Brown: Charlotte Littlefield Brown.


George: Charlotte, how are you doing this weekend?  Alright?


Charlotte: Yeah, I'm doing great George, how are you? 


George: Beautiful weather down here in Texas, what was it, about 67, 70 degrees today, something like that?


Charlotte: Amazing for January.


George: Gosh, I know.  And Alan Watt, poor Alan Watt, welcome to our program, Alan.


Charlotte: Are you snowed in?


Alan: Yeah.  Well, I'll tell you. 


George: What's the weather like?


Alan: It's 4 degrees above 0 Fahrenheit right now. 


George: Oh my gosh.  You won't be there much longer though, right?


Alan: Well, either that or I’ll turn into a permanent iceberg.


George: We rub it in from down here a little bit.


Alan: I can hear you.  I hear you.


George: (Chuckle)  You're a good guy.  Anyway, tonight our guest is Alan Watt.  He's a profound thinker in many fields of secret societies, parapolitics, the occult.  And he's done such in-depth research, but he's mainly a truth seeker.  And he has a site, cuttingthroughthematrix.com.  If you go in there, all of our listening audience, go in there right now if you're on your computer, cuttingthroughthematrix.com, and start perusing through his site, and you're going to dig down in there and find some very impressive writings and ideas.  Alan, how you been doing the last few weeks?  Okay, been pretty busy?


Alan: Very busy.  A bit too busy.


George: Tell us, this Cutting Through the Matrix, we're going to talk in general.


Alan: Naturally, when you're born and you don't question much about it.  And it isn't into you go into the deep books, the old books, and the history books, and go into the big foundations and so on that guide the direction of the planet and the cultures, that you realize that culture itself, everything that you're taught, is taught for a particular reason, and that's to shape and mold your mind, so that you'll go along in the flow within the matrix itself, without questioning it.  And it's the reality, the reality that's been presented to you from birth, that you're expected to swallow without question.  That's what it is.


George: So, this is part of the education system and, what, the religious systems.  It's a whole system of ideas that we take on, and our parents they give us these ideas, they teach us, they, but they're not knowingly doing this.  They're unintentionally, unwittingly conditioning us into what they suffer from.  Is that sort of the idea?


Alan: It's the same thing, and studies have been done, and it's well known in the right quarters that all mammals, all mammal species look towards one of the parents, the protector, to warn it and teach it what is dangerous to it, in particular.  And if the mammal does not know, then the young one will grow up not knowing either, and therefore its worst enemy could walk right up to it and it would be eaten for instance.  And it's the same with us.  If our parents don't know how everything evolved along this way, or was shaped along this way, then the child grows up thinking it's all quite natural, and you accept everything as being natural.  Right now there's children, who are seven years of age, who literally have been brought up since 9/11 thinking that the law enforcement they see on the streets in the big cities, the machine guns, all this is quite natural.  And they'll grow up in a few years to be the first soldiers who've never known a pre-9/11 existence. 


George: So there's an evolution here, a debasement of society, away from freedoms into more of a military state, but it's accelerating.  Do you see the acceleration occurring in this direction?


Alan: There's no doubt.  There's not a day goes past that there's not more information published in either the US, Canadian, British or French, or other European countries' main newspapers about laws, laws, laws and more laws.  Just a couple of days ago, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, the BBC of Canada, announced that a little place south of me, on the Great Lakes, Lake Huron, they're actually building a 6 foot high barbed wire security fence all around this little port.  And supposedly it's to keep out terrorists.  Now, you're not going to get invasions of terrorists coming over in landing craft all the way through Canada, from the Middle East.  So it's nothing to do with what they're claiming.  The terrorism is to come from the public, as they start taking this system down.  That's where it's going to come from. 


George: So you've got domestic terrorism of the public itself, by a big government, and military types of units, and the extension of their powers through this Matrix of Terror, right?


Alan: There's no doubt.  See, a long time ago, when you go into the writings of the top, the psychologists and the behaviorialists who are funded by the big foundations and became world famous, you've got to take note of these characters who are built up into a fame stature internationally, because it doesn't happen by chance.  They're promoted to the top by the top.  And the same with Darwin.  Darwin would have been a complete unknown if the big boys at the top hadn't decided to make him a star.  Same thing.  Well Skinner for instance, the behaviorist, wrote lots of books, about human conditioning and how to achieve certain goals with whole vast populations.  And he said that everyone who's alive today – this was back in the '60s and '70s – is technically insane.  Every citizen.  So here's someone in the psychology profession, condemning everyone, every citizen as being insane because they had antiquated values.  They had family units, which were also antiquated, and they passed on contaminated ideas from a previous era to their own children.  And that was reiterated through all psychiatric and psychology books and courses, and taught to a whole new generation of psychologists.  And that has been the agenda for a long time, is to literally create professionals who will be our new taskmasters.  They'll be the new overfuhrers.  


George: So it's a battle of ideas.  This principality, these battles of principalities, that is true then that it's ongoing, is it not?


Alan: It's ongoing because we're living, you see our lives, we think in such short-term planning, because we live so short a life really, we forget that foundations were created as far back as the 1800s, big foundations, under the guise of philanthropy.  Jacques Ellul and other people, big writers, talked about these foundations, and how they could literally plan something, plan a world three hundred years down the road and bring it into being because they had their tenets of belief for that foundation, they could hire and retire men generation after generation, who would work on a specific agenda, and make it happen, over the course of one, two, three hundred years, and they have. 


George: So it's a steady, it's a steady progressive thing that many people have devoted their full lifetimes to perpetuating and extending and continuing.  Is that true? 


Alan: There's no doubt about it.  Adam Weishaupt talked about it, the foundations, institutions, and it was also set up in Britain and run from there, still is today.


George: We've got to cut away, we'll be right back Alan.  Thank you very much.


(Commercial Break)


George: Welcome back to the Secret Truth.  I'm George Butler, along with....


Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield Brown.  And gentlemen, I'd like to go ahead, and if you don't mind, open up the phone lines.  I'm going to go ahead and, is that okay, with you Alan?


Alan: Yeah, depends who it is, I'm getting stalkers on the phone now, yeah.


Charlotte: Okay, we'll keep that in mind, and we'll be sure to have them silenced or muted if you find that it's a problem, okay.  1-800-259-9231.  So anyways.  Tell me, so these authors, Adam Weishaupt.


Alan: Weishaupt, it really means wise leader.  These guys chose their names because they belonged to societies.  And he was not the beginning of the Illuminati, because you can look in the Oxford dictionary, it will tell you that groups that formed around the 1500s called themselves Illuminati, two hundred-odd years before Weishaupt came along.  So going down through the ages, and there's many branches of them, and Weishaupt boasted about all the techniques to get people in, the useful idiots he called them, that would work for this particular goal, never realizing what the goal was.  Only those at the top would know the real agenda.


Charlotte: Sure.  Now, could it be fair to say that a meme is I guess a smidgen of information that is generational information or cultural information?  A packet of cultural information that's communicated down I think, it's called a meme.


Alan: It's almost familial.  It's through families too, that the information and the agenda is passed on, very wealthy families, but it's also through the big institutions.  We take them for granted, because we think they're philanthropic organizations.  And yet, they've been exposed before, when they've done investigations into the agendas of these big charitable organizations.  Now, I'm talking about Rockefeller foundation, the Ford and the Carnegies, and a whole host of them in Britain as well, and across the world.  And it was the Reece Commission that did investigations into them back in the '50s.  And Norman Dodd was sent out to talk to the heads of these, and he talked to the leaders or the CEOs of these organizations.  And the guy from Ford foundation told him, that their function was to work and put out culture, snippets of information, ideas through the media, etc, into the people's minds, so that they could comfortably merge the Soviet Union with America.


Charlotte: Right.  You know, believe it or not, I believe Charlotte Iserbyt purchased the documents from those hearings.  And if you go to Americandeceptions.com, or you look up Charlotte Iserbyt, and her last name is spelled I-S-E-R-B-Y-T.  Yeah, you know, Alan, I believe that she actually spent all the money to purchase that.  Otherwise the American history, we wouldn't even have a copy of these documents.


Alan: Well, it is published in books.  I think Dodd himself published it.  There's one book called Foundations: Their Power and Influence (by Rene A. Wormser).  That has all of that in that book as well.  And it has a lot more besides that, because it goes into all the foundations, and they're all interconnected towards this one agenda.


Charlotte: Sure, but wasn't the meeting you're talking about, the hearings, wasn't it a very negative hearing, that quickly got brushed under the carpet?


Alan: Yeah, in fact Dodd himself said that, that he was given the run-around by guys at the top, and he realized that this power and influence certainly stretched wide and far and very high, and they wanted to give it short shrift.  And I'm not surprised, because he was investigating something that he was not supposed to really know about, or anybody else was supposed to know about, that we have a parallel government in existence.  And that ties in with Professor Carroll Quigley's book, Tragedy and Hope, and his other book too, The Anglo-American Establishment, to do with the Council on Foreign Relations.  And he also admits right in there, he says, there's been a parallel government here for sixty years.  That meant it began around the 1900s.


George: We see the Council on Foreign Relations now raising its head or its influence with our presidential candidates.  That's quite, quite prevalent and common.


Alan: Yes, at one time they would take on a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, never tell the public on newscasts what the person stood for, what their organization was.  You took it for granted it was some sort of official capacity, but the Council on Foreign Relations is a private organization.  They came out in Canada in 2005, for the first time as a Council, as a panel, declaring something to the Canadian public, and that was the first open signing of the amalgamation of the Americas: Canada, U.S. and Mexico.  And they admitted that they drafted up the amalgamation treaties that the Presidents and Prime Minister signed.  So here's a private organization drafting up treaties that they give to your government to sign. 


George: Yeah.  They've given most of the presidential candidates briefings here in the last few months, I know, on policy issues that they say.  Because what they're doing is they're dictating through these very clever briefings.  You know, they're saying, you toe the line and this is what we want.


Alan: That's right.  And yet, you see, that was set up, the Council on Foreign Relations is just the American branch of the Royal Institute for International Affairs that was started off in England.


George: Well, there's also a Chicago group that Michelle Obama belongs to, up in Chicago.


Alan: There's groups all over.  They have their round table societies as well, that's part of them.


George: I think the one up in Chicago is called Chicago Council on Global Affairs.  And she's a director of that up there.


Alan: Well, you know, they're actually teaching a course in some universities in the States now on global governance.  You can get a degree in it. 


George: And so they're pushing these Councils and these Relations, Councils on Foreign Relations as something very good and positive, and what they're doing is they're power centers.


Alan: Massive.  Not just power centers, but they have a complete picture of what they want for the future, the kind of society they want, and it's a totally radically different society than the one we have at the moment.  Radically different.  They were behind a lot of the changes that went on in Europe.  You've got to understand that the CIA is tied in with this too, big time, and so is MI6 from Britain, and they guided the cultures, through the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s up to the present time.  They gave us our fashions, our music.  They gave us pretty well everything we think is normal, and the multiculturalism and so on to get ready for a global society.  All of the things that we take for granted were pushed, planned by think tanks employed by these groups, and promoted to the public, marketed to the public, through all media: magazines, comics, cartoons, movies, newspapers, all of that stuff.


George: It's almost like a cartoon.  A virtual reality.  Have you ever seen it in that way in a way?


Alan: It is, it truly is.


George: It's not real, it's an invention.  It's a concoction into a conjured up system of ideas that are not reality based, they're created by men.


Alan: What they give us for the future becomes our reality, because we live into it.  We live through the changes.  And because we're the most adaptable species on the planet, we can go through drastic changes and take it for granted, never thinking.


George:  So, if they give us a script, and we believe the script to be the truth, and we act out that script, then it becomes the truth to us. 


Alan: That's right.  We work their plan into existence.


George: It's a stage managed play, isn't it? (Laughter)


Alan: It is.  It's all stage managed, there's no doubt.


George: I've actually written a musical, but I didn't, but I knew that that was fiction, right. 


Charlotte: Well there's actually a Rush song guys, all the World's the Stage and We are Merely Players, Performers and Portrayers.


Alan: Shakespeare, yeah.


George: Shakespeare, yeah.  Well, he had it down years ago, centuries ago, right?


Alan: Yeah, All the World's a Stage, and We are But the Players.


George: And each of us must play our part.


Alan: And also, that's why they have a theater of war.


George: Oh, that's right. 


Charlotte: That's right, yeah.


George: We've got to cut away here again for a short break.  We'll come back.  This is getting interesting Alan.  I'm beginning to enjoy this virtual reality.  It's so much fun, isn't it?  We're having fun.  Hey, we'll be right back Alan, Charlotte.


(Commercial Break)


George: Welcome back to the Secret Truth.  I'm George Butler, along with....


Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield Brown.


George: Welcome back, Alan Watt.


Charlotte: I think he went to get some wood chopped, maybe.


Alan: No, I'm here.


George: Welcome back, Alan.


Alan: It's a pleasure, yeah. 


George: Okay, in this, you described this process of trying to bring people out of this delusion, or this system of programming as de-programming.  What is the biggest barrier that you found so far to this deprogramming process?


Alan: Well, people, you can't just, it's not a matter, in American society we're so used to fast food, fast everything, drive through this and it's a matter of time.  Because people will hang on to their pet likes actually, the cultural likes.  It's like going up a ladder and they get stuck on a rung.  And sometimes they can't go any further without a little help.  Some will never go any further.  They choose not to.  You almost have to give up everything that gave you your whole idea of what you were, and your place amongst everything.  You have to throw it out the window and be willing to take the chance of maybe even having a complete breakdown, if need be, and coming out of it.  Because you have to throw off all of the old indoctrinations, and that's not easy.  I mean, it's a lot of indoctrination we've had for our whole lives, you know, and it's ongoing daily. 


George: So your approach is a knowledge based one through education and then trying to realize, trying to get people to realize at a higher level of understanding what binds them, what enslaves them, what ideas are so overwhelmingly addictive and enslaving and limiting.


Alan: You see, the system that we have is not a humane system, number one.  I mean, the U.S. started off and the founders had the right idea, but they also said the truth.  They said that freedom could only last in such a country if the people themselves would hang onto that freedom, and it was meant for an agricultural society, where everyone had his land, his home, and no one could touch that.  No one, no law, nothing could touch that property.  And so they were well aware that if industry came in.  You see, Britain already had industry, and factories going.  If industry came in, then big money powers would move in and take over, disrupt society, move them into the cities for workers, and out of the chaos that would ensue, they would then bring up social work departments, all that kind of stuff that deals with the chaos.   They're very good at giving us stuff to deal with chaos.  And those institutions end up having power and laws over us, and they become overlords too.  Well, that's what we have today.  And they decided a long time ago that this system that we're going into, this New World Order as it's often called.  Bush Sr. called it that too.  Many people in the past have called it that.  Adolf Hitler called it that too.  It's all the same movement, going along the same road, towards a scientifically designed, efficient society, including a vast population reduction, and a society where the workers basically will have no rights of their own.  They will be told what to do.  They will be bred for what they have to do in fact, scientifically, eventually.  And you will not be born unless they have somewhere, some job for you to fill.  That literally is it.  They call that common sense planning, the big planners at the top, and everything has to do with planning.  They don't want inefficiency.  Right now, you see, we served their culture well.  We have fought the wars that they needed, to create, to amalgamate the world in these big business takeovers and that's all wars are about.  You're empire building, it's just business takeovers of one country to the next.  We've funded it.  We've provided the manpower for it.  We've provided the taxes for it.  And we've made the machines of war and so on, and we can see the end coming.  And they've talked about this fifty years ago.  They saw it coming when the time would come when they were ready for a global society, they'd have to find substitutes for war, because that's how they kept control over the people in the past, was the threat of some country or other going to invade them.  When that's gone, they have to find a new enemy, and the new enemy is the terror within.  The whole world will have secret terrorists.  It will be like the Red under the bed scenario, only global.  And we'll all be terrified.  And that's why they'll have to rule us with an Iron Rod.  They must maintain control, and they say, now this was published by one of their biggest think tanks.  That was in the book, by the Club of Rome, published by the Club of Rome.  Big powerful think tank that directs the future, and the ideas that come out of the Club of Rome are given to other organizations, other think tanks to fine-tune, and then it's marketed through all the media in the world.  All the magazines in the world market their ideas.  And the Club of Rome's founders wrote a book called The First Global Revolution, published in the early 1990s,1991 I think.  In the book, they said that back in the 1970s, they saw that when the world was ready and conquered and all the rest of it, and global, they would have to find a new enemy.  And they looked around to find what they could find for an enemy, and they said that the enemy would be man himself, and we shall claim that man is destroying the planet and causing global warming.  That's what they hit on.  It was an idea.  One of many ideas, but that's the one they chose.  And that's what we're hearing now.  We are the enemy.  We are causing the problems.  We'll have to reduce the populations.  It was planned seventy years ago.


George: Well, it seems like animals at times have more rights than humans, at times. 


Alan: Well, they do.  In the Earth Charter that was fronted by Maurice Strong on behalf of the United Nations and the Rockefeller foundation, Maurice Strong said to a person who asked about trees and animals, and he says, you'll wish you had the rights of a tree when we're finished.  Because under the Earth Charter, the animals do have rights, but there's no rights for us.


George: Boy, that is a very dire prediction.  So, what we're doing here tonight is trying to resist this change, and trying to expose where we have been planned to head, or the goals that have been set out for us.  Is this what we're doing here in our life's work as it's unfolding?  Is this part of what you're really about, Alan?


Alan: Yes.  We've lived through a good part of the changes, even the cultural changes, the dramatic cultural changes.  Remember, these characters always use the term revolution, and most revolutions are bloodless.  It's only the occasional one here or there that's actually bloody.  And we've had the cultural revolutions.  We saw it in China, remember when they had their Communist Revolution, and they had the Cultural Revolution to get them updated.  In the West, you had the free sex, free love liberation thing.  You had the various gender liberation movements, which were revolutions, sexual revolutions, they called it.  And so on, and so on, and so on.  You've seen all the revolutions carried on.  You've lived through them, but you didn't recognize them for what they actually were.  And it was meant to change a society that would be guided by people at the top, and they certainly have been.  The big foundations, remember, pay non-governmental organizations, thousands of groups, thousands of them, that then come forward as a big group, and demand laws get changed.  And the governments are only too happy to oblige them.  That's how this system works.  And it's modeled after the Soviet Union, because Soviet meant Rule by Councils.  And in the Soviet Union, because it was supposed to be run by the people, they had non-governmental organizations, but the Politburo always appointed the head person themselves, you see.  So it's no different here.  You have massive organizations, non-governmental organizations, who go to Washington and say, look, we've got so many thousands or millions of members, we demand you change this law.  And the government says, oh, thank you very much, we've been waiting for you to come.  That's how this con game works, but it's directed through the big foundations.


Charlotte: Well, you know, Ron Paul has a remedy for that called individual liberties and rights, and God-given rights.


Alan: Here's the problem though.  We're dealing again with the mass man, and we've got to understand this too, that we ourselves have all been affected by the cultural changes.  So much so that most people have no idea what any kind of values are anymore.  Talk to someone at fourteen, thirteen, and listen to what they're being taught at school.  And it's shocking to see the vast difference from one group to the next just coming out of school.  And this was mentioned back in the 1930s, at the Communist International meeting in Russia, by the head man, who was Beria, who was charge of it.  He was in charge of the NKVD then, that became the KGB, and all the members came back to the Western countries and it was published in the newspapers.  He says, it used to take us seventy years to get our agenda through by indoctrinating one generation.  One generation at that time was seventy years.  He says, we can now do it and upgrade the system every five years by getting the children young, and every intake four years apart, five years, give them a step up further along our agenda.  Now it's every year.


George: We've got to be going.  Ron Paul, he's trying to hold the line on this, and get back to some kind of constitutional government.


Charlotte: But he's just one man.


George: But we understand where you're coming from.  We'll be right back


(Commercial Break)


George: Welcome back to the Secret Truth.  I'm George Butler, along with....


Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield Brown.


George: Welcome back, Alan Watt.


Alan: It's a pleasure.


George: When we're talking about this matrix and this system of rule and control, you seem to identify these different groups better than anyone else.  There is something, Therefore Thirty, the Club of Rome has a group called Therefore Thirty.  It's for people around Thirty Years of Age.  So they're indoctrinating and beginning to teach a whole new generation.


Alan: Yes.  And everyone is.  If you notice, all the big players that were put up there to guide a world, including Bill Gates.  Bill Gates did not open the doors himself, or open the windows I should say.  You don't get up there unless they open the windows, and you get up, they bring you up.  And a long time ago, during the Cold War, the CIA discussed this war as being a war of technology.  Whoever had the highest advanced technology would win the Cold War.  And they put out front organizations, real corporations, funded them heavily through various means, and black budgets and so on, that became big international corporations.  That hasn't stopped.  They would never let someone come from the grassroots with new inventions or whatever that would upset the apple cart if it was given to the public and could bypass their system of spying on us all.  So they put their own boys in.  Now Bill Gates, now, is a top philanthropist.  Another big foundation, you see.  And he funds certain projects across the world.  Look into those projects and you'll see how he's affecting the cultures of other nations. 


George: Yes.  Yeah, Charlotte take over a second, I need to plug in my computer.  Okay, go ahead, continue the conversation. 


Charlotte: Sure.  So, Alan, with regards to these large groups having to petition the government by their sheer numbers, you know, like you can't even be taken serious unless you have 60,000 names on a petition or something like that.


Alan: That's right.


Charlotte: You know, that really disempowers an individual.


Alan: That's an interesting point, because that's the very point that was brought up a hundred years ago when they debated the meaning of democracy.  They said the time would come when you'd have to belong to a major group to have any protection, protection is the word they used, at all from the system.  They knew they'd bring us to this stage, and that's where we are.  You're right.  You're dead right about that.


Charlotte: And as far as Bill Gates, are you saying, so, did he originate the technology? 


Alan: No, no.


Charlotte: So he was aided. 


Alan: I'd say he was definitely aided indeed.  An interesting family lineage too, if you go into it.  One of the main advisors, you see, after the first Rockefeller had the militia out that gunned down all the miners at the strikes, back in the early 1920s and so on.  I don't know if people remember this stuff. 


George: It was up in Colorado I was thinking.


Alan: That's right.  And they gunned down workers in trains even.  They just opened up machine-gun fire and just riddled the trains.  And they destroyed the tent towns of the miners.  Well, he got a bad name.  And so they said, we've got to remake your name, and make you into something different.  So they brought in the future Prime Minister of Canada, that's why he got the job as the Prime Minister.  That was his payoff.  And they brought in another guy called Gates, you see.  And Gates was a professional in creating image making for these characters, and he made him into suddenly a great philanthropist for the people.


George: So he did publicity.  He recast him into some kind of a great benefactor and philanthropist, vs. people that had mowed down people.  They broke that strike up there and killed people.  There were people murdered in Colorado.  It was just a terrible thing that happened up there.


Alan: It was.


Charlotte: Well, I'll tell you gentlemen.  None of this could develop without almost monopolistic control of the media and the communications.


Alan: Yes.  And again, Carroll Quigley goes into that in great detail, talking about all the major newspapers being owned by the Royal Institute for International Affairs, and the Council on Foreign Relations.  So that's right on.  It's essential they own all media, because like Brzezinski said, the media is so important.  He said, shortly the public will be unable to think for themselves, they will rely upon the media to do all their thinking for them.  So they could never allow free press on a big scale. 


George: What trends do you see now in them taking over?  The internet is a little bit out of their control, still.  What do you see?  Where are they moving to try to restrict our internet freedom of communication.


Alan: They're already doing it.  There was a meeting in Canada a few years ago with the United Nations in fact that was brought in, to draft up the laws for the internet, for policing the internet.  And eventually they'll bring down fines initially, and then cut you off if you're undesirable.  They will use pedophilia.  They will also use stalkers and hate mail, and all this kind of stuff, which is actually out there too.  I mean, that's true.  They always use the weirdos as the problem to penalize us all.  And that will start to bring it down.  They'll bring it down gradually.  But it's already getting funneled, all the servers are getting funneled into one main trunk eventually.  There will be one company that runs the world internet, and that will be the big policing force, as well.


George: Well, there was a recent, an individual that uncovered live editing of Wikipedia citations in there, by large corporate interests.  And they were continuously going in automatically and taking out and actually redacting in a way, by removing some of the material they didn't want on there.


Alan: Yes. And I mean, I get hits every day from intelligence agencies, military establishments, it comes up on my firewall, it reads out who they are.  And there are about four or five large ones, one's based in Holland, one's in Australia that does the Pacific Rim Region, it comes up as the Pacific Rim Police, and there's two in the United States.  One is at MIT.  And they're already policing the world.  These groups are classed as nongovernmental organizations too, by the way, who were given permission to try and hack into people's computers for information.


George: Well, there are certain gateways I've noticed of numbers that you can't track down.  So those gateways are where they funnel that information to intelligence gathering operations.


Alan: It is.  And I talked to one of the top designers at Dell computers.  He's paid big money, this man, because he does the top programming there.  And he said, by law, every computer has built-in back doors, because they must be accessible by government agencies.


George: Yeah, I'm sure every computer has its own individual fingerprint.


Alan: It has.


George: And so you can track, when it moves around, you know where it's going.


Alan: Sure you do.


George: I mean, once you know who's the user, there's email there, they can, you know, surreptitiously eavesdrop on you anyway, and then they can put these sleeper programs in that report back to them who you're typing and virtually observe all of your mail right now.


Alan: They already put chips in the modern boards, the typing boards, keyboards, that do transmit your letter to them before you even get it sent. 


George: That's nice.  So our whole lives can be printed out, right.


Alan: That's what the real purpose is.  If you want to control society, everyone in that society must be under observation and predictable 24 hours a day.


George: There was a site over in England one time, and someone told me, they were working up there, it was someone I knew, and they were listening to Senators talk in their offices to other Senators.  But over in England they were intercepting their conversations through satellite systems.  And that was a long time ago.


Alan: Well, you can imagine what the NSA can do. 


George: Oh, they're listening to everyone.


Alan: Yes, they are.


George: So, what you're saying is the war now is against individuals.  In other words, individual terrorists, domestic terrorism right?


Alan: Yes, and they keep expanding the meaning of it.  That's the beauty of putting a law on the books.  It's always put on with a plausible explanation and reason initially.  Anything can be, you see, initially.  But all laws, if you go through the history of the legal system, tend to expand and expand and expand to encompass so much more than you thought it was designed to do.  It actually was designed to expand, that's why they put these things on the books.


George: Alan, have you gotten into any of this?  Charlotte has made, you know, some major contributions to exposing some of this electronic voting.  Have you looked at any of that lately?


Alan: I get bits and pieces of it, and I mean, I'm not surprised.  I watched an election here in Canada, on television a few years ago, and I saw them reversing the votes from one MP to the other in a split second.  They literally reversed their votes.


George: Yeah, they just dropped off the screen.  I've seen that here locally.  We were down here watching television one time, down at an accounting session of constables and counties, and you know, officials, and all of a sudden it went from 1500 to 1000 votes, and what was that?  And I think that's recently that they've had stuff up in New Hampshire.  But there's people in there looking after that, right now.  We've got to move out of here right now, for a top of the hour break.  Alan, it's getting better.  Charlotte?


Charlotte: Yes, George?


George: We've got to move out here for the top of the hour, but we'll be right back, okay.


Charlotte: Okay, see you on the other side.


George: Okay, babe.  Bye, bye.


(Commercial Break)


George: Welcome back to the Secret Truth.  I'm George Butler, along with....


Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield Brown.


George: Alright, welcome back, Alan Watt.


Alan: It's a pleasure to be here.


George: We've got Dana, on the line.  Are you ready to take a call?


Alan: Sure.


George: Dana, what is your question for Alan Watt?


Dana: Well, I have a couple of statements first, and then I have a couple of questions.  Is that okay?


George: Yeah, go ahead.  Tell us what's on your mind. 


Dana: Okay.  I don't know if you listen to the news, I just heard one again a while ago while you were on break, from Bush's speech yesterday, I think he was drunk.  If you listen real close, his words are terribly slurred.


Alan: I heard that, yeah.


George: He's on medication also, so that can cause slurring also, medication can.


Dana: Well, that's true too, but I find it kind of interesting that his words were so slurred.  And the other comment I wanted to make was, this is the first time I've listened to your particular show, on GCN, and I didn't even know you were around, but I don't usually listen to the talk shows on the weekends, but I find your show very interesting.  And I love the title.  Now, what I wanted to ask your guest, he mentioned the book earlier that was printed in 1991, and I didn't have a pen and paper handy to catch the name of that book, where all of these projected foundation mind control ideas were set out.  Does he remember what I'm referring to?


Charlotte: Alan Watt is our guest's name.


Dana: Alan, what is his name again?


Charlotte: Alan Watt, W-A-T-T.  And Alan has actually published a few books of his own, but Alan is on the line here, so we'll let him talk for himself.  Alan?


Alan: Yes, the book you want to get, it was put out and published by the Club of Rome, and it's called The First Global Revolution.  They tell you right in there, they looked for causes that they could bring up to unite the world with a common enemy, and they thought, and they looked at a few different, they even thought about the UFO scenario, could they terrify the public with an invasion from outer space, would that work with enough propaganda, and then they settled on creating the idea of global warming, and they would use that as an excuse to control the people and society.


Dana: Well, Alan, what I have heard you say tonight, I just turned 60.  So, I grew up in the baby boomer generation, which to me is mind boggling how things have changed compared to what my comfort zone is, and what I'm used to. And what I find you explaining gives some insight to me, as to why sometimes when I talk to people, about bills or anything else over the phone, they lack common sense, and they answer like they're reading from a script.  Like their brain can't commute and get on the page with me about what I'm talking about.


Alan: I know.  I know exactly what you mean. 


George: It's like parroting.  We have become parrots.


Dana: Yeah.  Right, and it's so frustrating.  You know, you end up slamming down the phone, and just getting frustrated.  Because you can't get them to relate on the page that you're on, and I'm finding this now even happening with people around my own age, and I'm going, what is going on?  Am I the only sane person left?  Is it because I don't eat out at fast food places all the time?  What is going on that this has become more prevalent?


Alan: What's interesting is, you see, there is such a thing as culture creation and culture guidance, and the science of it goes back to Plato.  Plato talked about it 2300 years ago, how the elite would always create a culture.  He said, if we want to, we can change that culture and all of its values and morals, upside down in one generation, and the last ones to notice will be the ones who live through it.


Dana: That's where we are, aren't we?  This is where baby boomers are, because this generation is just not, it's like the twenty and thirty year olds, are just, they are lost.


George: They have been dumbed down, and they've been overcome by the wrong ideas.  Very debased thinking.


Alan: They have nothing to hold on to.  You see the family structure is almost destroyed.  That was one of the tenets that they said in psychology many years ago.  They would destroy the family unit.  That was the big chant through all of the psychiatric and psychological industries, because they were promoting this from the top.  They'd destroy the family unit, and then the State would be in charge of the conditioning of the child.


George: The inmates have taken over the insane asylum, Dana.  They used to be inmates, and we used to be able to have them, you know, under control.  Now they escaped, and they're in control of the insane asylum, the inmates are. 


Alan: Yeah, the psychopaths.


George: They're psychopaths.


Alan: They're psychopaths at the top.


George: Yes.  The psychopathic thinking on the highest levels is so profound that it's tragic.


Alan: It is.  It's awful.  It's terrifying to see very well.  You see, it's one thing to be a psychopath, it's another thing to be born into family dynasties of them who have the financial backing and the powerful friends to make their ideas work.  That's the problem. 


George: Yeah, a poor psychopath is not as terrible as a really rich one, you know. 


Alan: That's right.


George: A billionaire psychopath, you've got problems with those people.


Charlotte: Oh, yeah.


Alan: Goldfinger.  Goldfinger proved it, yeah.


George: Yeah, Goldfinger, that's right.  (Chuckle)  We have to laugh a little bit about this, otherwise you'd go stark raving mad, right.


Alan: You would, you would.


George: Yeah, you would.  They call me that anyway. 


Dana: Well, there's one more thing Alan, that I wanted to point out, and you probably know about it maybe in some of your writings, too.  Is, when I was in graduate school at Texas Tech, about 12 years ago, there was a lot of crossover from undergrads taking graduate classes that were taking also International Law courses.  Now, I think that is a big signal.  Listening to what you said earlier, I remember that, and I thought, that adds an under the cover title of what they were doing with these people, these students, younger students, teaching them international law.  It fits right in with what you're talking about.


Alan: That's how far back it goes.  You're right on.  They said that they'd rear technocrats in fact.  They would choose the brighter ones, teach them, and the ones that were really good at it, they'd pick them out.  And these people actually were brought into the United Nations to work as high-level bureaucrats, but now they're teaching.


Dana: Absolutely, there was one girl that was telling me she was applying for an internship that coming summer of 1993, to go to the UN for an internship towards her international law degree.  Because she was going into law school when she graduated, but she was taking Poly Sci Masters classes, which was what I was in, Political Science.  And I was just flabbergasted that she had all these doorways open to her.  Now it makes me wonder, with what you said, just exactly who was she?


Alan: As you say, they do have doors opened for them.  It's the same with the Rhodes scholarship.  Bill Clinton was a Rhodes scholar, 200-odd bureaucrats on your federal level are all Rhodes scholars.  And they work.  They vow to work to a global society.  That's what they vow to take.  So, doors, as soon as they come out of Oxford, or wherever they come from, or certain Ivy League Universities, the doors open automatically for them, because they have big powerful friends now guiding their lives.


George: The political science taught on the university level does not free us, it continues the state of delusion, where the completion of truth is never achieved. 


Alan: Elihu Yale went into this.  He put up the money for the funding for Yale University, before the American Revolution.  And Elihu Yale, his family were one of the founding members of the British East India Company, the first big international corporation in the late 1500s.  And Elihu Yale said that they would fund...


Dana: What you're talking about makes some sense too, in why we have such a hard time getting so much of the public to realize our government did 9/11.  Everybody thinks everybody is crazy that even talks about that.


Alan: I know.


Dana: And this didn't happen just overnight.  It's like you're saying, Alan, this has been planned and going on for centuries.


Alan: Yes.


George: Dana, thank you very much for your call and your statements and comments.  Call us back again, and keep listening.  Thank you very much.  We're going to cut away for another break.  Thank you, Alan.  Thank you, Charlotte.


(Commercial Break)


George: Welcome back to the Secret Truth.  I'm George Butler, along with...


Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield.


George: Yeah, I believe we have another caller.  Welcome back, Alan Watt to the program.


Alan: Yeah, it's a pleasure.


George: We have another caller on the line.  Charlotte, who is that we have on the line?


Charlotte: This caller is James, from Ohio.


(Dial Tone)


George: James, what is your question?


Charlotte: Well, I guess we lost James.  Just so the listening audience knows, they can call 1-800-259-9231, if you'd like to join in the conversation briefly.  Or if you have a question for our guest and author, Alan Watt, tonight.


George: Alan, you know that last caller, Dana, I mean there are people that are waking up, all of a sudden, across the country, across the world.  We're getting callers now from all over the world, and it's almost like a world freedom movement; have you ever heard it described like that? 


Alan: Yeah, it's in the air.  The people are getting edgy because they see the same plans being implemented at the same time, of totalitarianism.  They see the structures being built all around them.  And they're getting the wind up to realize that something is vastly wrong, and it's nothing to do with what they're being told is the cause.  They know it's all been built for them.  And so they're asking lots and lots of questions. 


Charlotte: Oh, you mean it's not the Islamo-Fascism? 


Alan: Yeah, we're just waiting from armies to come across on camels, and swim across the sea, and up the Great Lakes in Canada, down the Saint Lawrence, and that's why they're putting all the barbed wire fencing around Port Hope, Port Huron.


George: I saw a downtown lake last night.  There were frog men attacking it.  I think they had snorkel devices.


Alan: I hope so. 


George: They had that little pop-in deal.  Do you remember the old snorkels that had the little, it was like a ping-pong ball in them?  Did you ever see those?


Alan: Yeah, I used one. 


George: That was the old one, and then where you had to just put your tongue in there and blow out the water.  Remember we went to those later. 


Alan: That was the new improved version.


George: The new improved.  (Chuckle)


Charlotte: Well, gentlemen.  I've got one for you.  What about the supposed lack of security with the nuclear devices, the supposed suitcase bombs that came out of the collapse of Russia, or the Soviet Union I should say.  And you know, we just had what was it, six nuclear warheads, live on their pedestals accidentally flown, and intercepted.  And then we've got this lady Cybele Edmonds I guess is her name, claiming to have inside information.  It seems like there is something going on.  Are you guys tracking that in the news, and what is your thoughts on that?


Alan: There's been some talk about the first one with the aircraft, it was a bit of a scam, I think.  You see, we always get so much disinformation put out from the top, to keep this hype and terror and fear going, and keep us all worried and scared.  It's difficult to say.  I do know that there are, I've got some clippings from newspapers in the States here, where there's special teams of helicopters now, scan your cities at night, and they're equipped to detect the minutest amount of radiation.  And they also have teams of people dressed, often in civilian clothing, walking amongst you in the cities, and they also have these tiny little devices that are very sensitive to radiation.  So they're already looking for all of this, all over the place.


George: Yeah, they've had a special response team, even before 9/11, out of Nevada.  It was an emergency response team.  It was a nuclear team that they could deploy anywhere in the country, within just a matter of a few hours.  And they had that, and I guess they've extended that capability of that. 


Charlotte: I mean, how terrifying is that?  You know.  The bad guys, you know, are going to put a suitcase nuke in your neighborhood, you know. 


Alan: Well, I think the only bad guys I would worry about are the bad guys that work in these shadowy secret agencies that work for governments. 


Charlotte: Yes, the false flaggers.


Alan: Yeah, I really do.  Honestly, I do.  If you look at the British history, they were famous for this.  They caused problems, blamed someone else, and get everyone fighting.  That was standard policy.  And it's never been changed, because why change something that works so well.  So, it's the same thing here.  I was talking about 9/11 the other day to someone, and I said well, regardless of all the evidence, there's so much evidence there, I said, regardless, the fact is, the New American Century club it was called.  The New American Century club itself, that was comprised of Cheney and Rumsfeld and Bush and other ones, and Perle, they published in the 1990s that they would want to take over the Middle East.  They published about Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran and so on.  They also said they would need something on a scale of Pearl Harbor to motivate the American public behind them for a war.  And then you find that Brzezinski wrote about that too, the same thing, he's a member of the club, in his book called The Grand Chessboard, also published in the 1990s.  Then 2001 comes along, and voila, they get their wish.  They win the lotto.  They're so lucky, these guys.


George: Yeah, we've got another caller.  Mary Ann, you have a question for Alan Watt?


Mary Ann: I have a comment and a question.


George: Yes, ma'am, go ahead. 


Mary Ann: Alan, thank you for having the courage.  I'm always, my dad died in the Second World War, and that's why history to me is very important.  And in reality, why the Second World War was, that story is never told the truth either.


Alan: And the victors always write the truth in all eras.


Mary Ann: Then I have another thing which worries me tremendous.  All those young people with the vaccinations and ADD and all the poisoning of the children.  Is it that the children, that they sought out the extremely intelligent ones?


Alan: Well, we know for a fact that the high private schools, even in Britain are the same, they don't get the same vaccines for those children that the rest of the populations get.  We know from the writings as well, of people like Arthur Koestler and Bertrand Russell.  Last week, if you go into the archives on my website, I talked on the air about comments made in Bertrand Russell's own books, and he was a big player in this too for global government and a type of society that was scientifically trained.  And he said, they could use all means, he mentioned food, water and the needle, he was talking about inoculations, to dumb down a public, a people, so that they would not have the intelligence to rebel in any intelligent manner, for these big changes that were planned.  So they have written about this agenda. 


Mary Ann: What other books can you recommend? 


Alan: If you find The Ghost in the Machine is a good one, by Arthur Koestler.  And he worked for, it's now publicly admitted to, he worked for MI6 in the Culture Creation Department.  So did Bertrand Russell.  So did even the one who wrote Nineteen Eighty-Four.  All of the big authors worked in the Department of Culture funded by the CIA and MI6 during the entire Cold War, and afterwards.  They give us our culture. 


Mary Ann: Again, thank you for your courage.  And if you ask, you know, that the vision will given to you, you just get enough what you can take, but pass it on, and if you pass it on to your family, there is hope.


George: Thank you very much for your call.  Keep listening and call back again.  Thank you very much for your comments and your call.  We've got to cut away here again.  We've been getting some interesting calls tonight, Alan.


Alan: Yes, they are.


George: We'll be right back.  Thank you.


(Commercial Break)


George: Welcome back to the Secret Truth.  I'm George Butler along with....


Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield Brown.  And gentlemen, I'm going to go ahead and give that number out again, since we're having such a great stream of callers here tonight.  That's 1-800-259-9231. George.


George: Yeah, Alan, these callers are waking up.  They're beginning to really change out there.


Alan: Yes.  I've noticed that.  There's been a big change over the last two or three years.  And more and more people don't want to simply jump in and yell and be terrified and say, what's happening.  They're actually looking into the histories of it, and that's so important as the last caller said.  You've got to know the histories to understand how we got here, and what the plan for the future is.  They tell you in very old books.  


George: What I see also though, just as a feel for the guests, is that they're over fifty years old, most of these people calling tonight, it seems like. 


Alan: During the week I get younger people too.  I get a lot of mail from young people, early twenties even.


George: A lot of email?  Email from younger people.  They're tuned into that.


Alan: And you'd be surprised.  Because those youngsters, as I say, they've had almost all the old system of family and so on has been stripped away, and so they're naturally asking more questions than the previous generation, because they have no one left to lean upon or help them.  And so they're asking questions fervently.  And very intelligent questions too.  They want to know why this has all happened.  Why this generation?  Why are they being given such a poor education, a limited education?  Hardly any history at all.  And they want to know what's going on. 


George: So they've been given a very, very subdued, most of it's what?  It's stimulation by the media.  Is that what our young people have been subjected to?


Alan: It's stimulation by the media, but they've also been given an educational minimalistic system, of groupthink.  Everything in school now is to do with the group.  Independence, individuality is frowned upon, in the group.  And it's to make you conform to a new mass system.


George: It's a new collective that they're nurturing and building. 


Alan: They call it Communitarianism.  And that was the term first used by George Bush Sr.  He would promote Communitarianism.  It's the same term now the United Nations is using.  And they're using the same thing in the global governance committees for their degree at university. 


George: So they can herd people around better, I guess. 


Alan: More docile.  You can't think for yourself.  You'll be unsure if your own decision is correct.  You look to others for approval or disapproval.  And that's how it's all meant to work.  You get social approval or social disapproval trained into you, and that was also said from the United Nations.  They would use that very system from China, the Model State for the World, on the rest of the planet.  And so if the group disapproves, you'll feel embarrassed, and you want to get back into their good books, and you'll go along with them. 


Charlotte: Or you leave, right?


Alan: That's right.  Or you're shunned.


Charlotte: A lot of people leave. 


Alan: You'll get shunned. 


George: Seems like, you know, when people have a problem, they say, what kind of a government program can help me?  Isn't that the solution, government is.  Not, what can I do myself to overcome my own problems.


Alan: That's very, very important because, at one time, not so long ago, people helped people.  And that again, that bonded real communities, the natural communities together by helping each other.


George: Friendship.  Real friendships.


Alan: Very good bonding.  Tremendous bonding and friendship.  I always say that God speaks through people by their actions of kindness to each other.


George: We've got another caller on the line.  Caller, what is your name?  Give us your name and where you're from.  Okay, Darrell in Montana, you're on live now.  What is your question or comment?


Darrell: Well, basically my comment is, I've been studying the metaphysical realm, and I've known of Alan Watt, since I was a wee little kid.  I really appreciate all of his vast levels of knowledge.  I guess my frustration with so-called spirituality and even religion in metaphysics today is the fact that most of what's being taught, from my perception, is all basically various levels of black magic. 


Alan: Oh, it is.  It's Pantheism.  They're bringing back the pantheistic system, but it's not by chance, again.  That whole movement was guided by the ones who gave us the culture.  And the CIA were heavily involved in promoting that culture.  If you go into the book, it's called Towards A New Global Civilization by Mikhail Gorbachev, the ex-president of the Soviet Union, he's now working for this new party here in the States.  And he's working with the United Nations as well, and he said, we are creating a new religion of the world, and it must be based on a form of Earth Worship.  You see, Earth Worship fits in well with depopulation.  Bring your population down, and they'll even have voluntary sterilizations to save the world.  It's all to do with a con to get all the children brainwashed into serving a new system. 


George: Darrell, what was your other question?  Did you have anything else to say?  Okay, he's off the line.  He dropped off.  Thank you.  He's what now? 


Charlotte: Jack in Canada?


George: Okay, Jack in Canada, what's your question for Alan Watt?


Jack: Hey.  Good Evening.  It's great listening to your show.  I really didn't have a question, I was just going to make a quick comment.  I know that Ron Paul's name came up, and even though I'm not able to vote in any primaries down your way, but it just occurred to me that it's not so much that the single man, I've been just fascinated by how many people are starting to wake up to some of these things that have been, you know, obscured or hidden from view.  So even though, many, many people, I've noticed this myself over the years, have been very reluctant to even entertain any of these ideas that Mr Watt is talking about.  What's happening is there's a groundswell going on.  I see thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of people waking up to some of these ideas, which is really delightful to see. 


Alan: It is.  If nothing else, all of this stimulates the conversation which must be had.  It must come out into the open for the first time. 


George: Yes, I think the conversation is on a new level, and it's we're moving towards a greater understanding, awareness, and enlightenment in the end, hopefully.


Jack: Well, maybe it has something to do with moving into this photon belt, and some of these other esoteric things that seem to be hovering around.  Because I certainly have noticed, I've been studying these kinds of issues that Mr Watt has written books on, and I really am a great admirer of yours Mr Watt, thank you very much for doing this.  But I've found that over the years, most people's eyes glaze over, or they get even frightened and fearful, if you broach any of these ideas.  And I've noticed over the last year or two, that trend seems to be changing. 


Alan: It's also changing, it's changing too because, and this is how the elite talk about us, too, we're a grazing herd, and we're in a field, and we don't look up.  And the shepherds always work very slowly, so we don't get spooked.  But right now, since 9/11, so much is changing, all around us.  No one can escape the little bits of information that comes across the news on a daily basis now, on more totalitarian measures, for something everyone knows has nothing to do with people in the Middle East at all, or Afghanistan.  They know it's all to do with something that's going to happen right here.  And so that's why they're asking the questions as they build this prison camp around us.  They're talking about ID'ing every single one of us.  And even giving us the chip down the road.  They've just introduced a chip, the very chip now is for diabetics.  Not just the elderly and babies at hospital.  They now want to put them into diabetics.  They're expanding the reach and eventually we'll all have one. 


Jack: Well, anyway, I'll let you carry on with your show.  Thank you very much.


Alan: Thanks for calling.


George: Well thank you much for your call, and thank you very much for your comments.  We appreciate you calling in.  Keep listening to us.


Charlotte: Yeah, what I have a difficulty with, is because I'm aware of this also, that there's, when I allow new information, because I'm bombarded with information, but when I allow new information, I have to test it to see if it's valid.  And so it slows down your whole process to a certain degree, because you're needing to make sure that you don't incorporate concepts and ideas and information that doesn't have integrity.


Alan: That's right.  I mean, I don't go out into the outer realms looking for problems or Planet X, or whatever.  In fact, I think a lot of that is put out by the other side, to make us terrified even more.  It's great we're all looking at the sky, while they're building barbed wire fences round us down here.


George: Well, I have trouble enough Alan, with my own human nature, you know what I mean?


Alan: Yes.


George: I mean that's the battle.  The battle is within our own issues and conflicts.


Alan:  The battle right now is the will, the will of individuals for an alternate way of living that's not the one that's planned by the elite because that is death.


George: To come out of this delusional state is the ultimate battlefield that I see.  Hey, we've got to cut away here, we'll be right back.  Thank you.


(Commercial Break)


George: Welcome back to the Secret Truth.  I'm George Butler, along with...


Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield Brown.


George: Alan Watt, welcome back to the program.


Alan: It's a pleasure to be here.


Charlotte: Gentlemen, George, before we go somewhere else.  You know, it's really interesting the concept of global warming, because due to the freedom of the internet you get to hear and read just a tremendous amount of information, and it seems that there's information that all the planets in our solar system are experiencing a degree of climate change.  So it's really interesting that potentially this information is accurate.  They're talking about Neptune.  The moon more precisely, you know, it's gone up something like, it's experienced like a 5% increase in it's temperature.  Just all over the whole solar system.  So, how can somebody say to us, well you're doing it, when it's happening to the whole neighborhood?


Alan: Well, you see, we have cycles.  I mean, we have Ice Ages and then we have Warming Ages.  And the old schoolbooks that children got, I got it at school, used to say there was over a hundred recorded Ice Ages, because the scientists, you know they drilled holes, they bored holes in the North Pole and the South Pole and so on.  And they could actually tell through the different trapped pollen between layers, when these Ice ages happened, how long it took between them, and so, we go through these Ice Ages.  Now what happens between Ice Ages is you warm up, and things melt, and then you get to a certain stage, and it goes back again.  And so you have ups and downs all the time, and that's the natural rhythm of our cycle around the sun.  And this is known at high quarters, so they're using a natural phenomenon to terrify us for a different agenda.  And to get us to reduce our population, because the elite have decided the future they're going to bring in, with all of its sciences and cyborgs and robots, etc, they won't need all of humanity.  We're looked upon as the worker bees.  That's our function according to the elite.  They don't need us all anymore.


George: We've got a few more minutes for taking calls.  1-800-259-9231. I think one of the points you were trying to make Charlotte, was maybe the sun is the most influential one.


Charlotte: No, that we better keep the internet free. (Laughter)


George: Well, I see the sun though, in other words, they're trying to make this more local than the sun's influence.  And maybe the sun is having a greater influence than our local pollution problems.


Charlotte: Right, and then when you have, you know, you've got to consider the motivation of the people making the claims.  I mean, you've got a former, you've got a politician, Al Gore, I mean, I don't doubt the sincerity of some of these people.  And I don't doubt that they really believe that some of, you know.


George: Charlotte made me go to that, Alan, watch that with her.


Charlotte: I didn't make you. 


George: I'm just kidding you, Charlotte.


Charlotte: Yeah, well, we've got to see what everybody is doing, so, and I always think it's important to see something if you're going to talk about it, you know what I mean?  You better know what.


George: No, I enjoyed it Charlotte.  It was informative to a degree.  It really was. 


Charlotte: I'll tell you who did a good job, was Michael Moore.  I came out of Sick-O begging for Socialized Healthcare.  He just really made it look like it was the cream of the crop.  And my daughters, I took them to see it, and of course we discuss this stuff, you know, at length afterwards and everything, but they wanted to move to France so they could live the easy life. 


Alan: Southern France, is it?


George: Yeah, there's always three meals out there, right.


Alan: Yeah, and vino with every meal.


George: We're allowed to do a thing for our supper, right.


Charlotte: Yeah, that's one thing my father always would tell me, always reiterated all the time.  You know, he actually conveyed to me a lot of wisdom, but he loved that one about, there's no such thing as a free lunch, you know, and these kind of things.


Alan: There's always a deal.  There's always a deal, and the masters make the rules.


George: Even when you got back to primitive societies though, they had to do something to get game, or to hunt, or to fish.  And they had to expend energy and work to live, to gain subsistence, so, that's the nature, that's the real nature of our existence is that we do need a certain amount of substance to continue to live.


Alan: It's nature.  See, we're also part of nature.  Here they are blaming us.  We have all the rights of every other creature to live and survive. 


Charlotte: You know what, I've often thought that if the world were allowed to develop in a more natural state than being forced the way it is, you know, with these trade organizations and these big corporations and the money creation, you know the international banks if you will, and all this, that had it not been directed the way it has been, I think it would have developed into something much more pleasant.


Alan: Yes, yes, absolutely.


Charlotte: And cooperative.  Everybody would be doing.  It seems like right now, we've got all our eggs in one basket kind of.  It's like all the tiny widgets come from China, and the....


George: Yeah, but the trade that's occurring because of internet sales and small businesses is still there.


Charlotte: Well, yeah.  That's why the internet is so important.  I think this could be the tool we could grow from, you know, to not stay, get out of the system.  Their system if you will.  Not humanity, not check out of life, or anything like that, but to get out of the grid there of control.  Because you go down, you make a purchase on your credit card, and they innocently ask you to verify your address, and you know, what's your phone number and this and that, and it's like you guys are saying, it's these NGOs, these corporations.  It's not necessarily that the government is collecting it on us.


Alan: Oh, they are too though.  They are, as well.


Charlotte: They all are now.


George: Well, there's a partnership between government and large corporations, let's face it.


Alan: Private.


George: That's it.


Charlotte: And we've already gotten to the place where people, for example seeking health insurance or life insurance, are being disqualified because of some medical this or that.


Alan: You're right, and you know that human genome project that they were doing?


George: Yeah, the DNA.


Alan: They're going to say that you might be, you might be prone to this or that down the road, and so you can't get insurance.


Charlotte: We've already come to that.  It's already come to that.  I think there are people with heart disease and things like this, that they're being excluded.  So it's already coming, it's coming.


George: Well, I had domestic terror genes and they wouldn't give me no insurance.  (Chuckle)


Alan: Oh, no. 


Charlotte: You had what?


George: I had domestic terror genes, and they wouldn't give me any food, right? (Chuckle)  I mean, that's the extremity of it, of the whole insane mess, is it not?


Alan: That's right.  In the Soviet Union they had a designation under psychiatry.  They said that you had inflexibility of opinion.  And that was enough to get you locked up.


George: Well, the DSM 4, what revised, or whatever the latest manual there for psychologists, don't they have some classifications in there that are awful suspect of anti-government or something like that in there?


Alan: There's a whole list in there.


George: Delusion, or paranoia, or whatever.


Alan: Or, a loner, if you like solitude then you're a possible terrorist.  Maybe if you read a lot you're another terrorist.


George: Oh, if you read too much it could hurt your eyes and you're a terrorist.


Alan: And also, if you read the Constitution to any law enforcement, you're probably a terrorist.


George: Yeah, if you openly bring up the Constitution when they stop you then you're a terrorist, for sure, yeah.


Alan: That's a fact.


Charlotte: Well, I'll tell you, there was an interesting phenomena, I think we all went through in the past, well it subsided, but for maybe the previous thirteen years or so, but it subsided in the last three years.  It seemed like the government, or the authority would say something, and then you'd hear the opposite of it, for example, aspartame and these low-fat diets are good for you, and then you'd hear a dissenting voice saying, no, it's not good for you, it causes cancer.  It was confusing.  It got to the point like, you know, people saying your coffee caused your cancer or didn't or this or that.  And now that we've gone through all that, and I'm looking back, that was actually people dissenting voices against this machinery if you will, the authority.


Alan: Also, it was Donald Rumsfeld that was the CEO of the corporation that made aspartame that got it passed through law.


Charlotte: Yeah, I mean, yeah.  And there are still people that trust aspartame and you know these things like that.


Alan: And Rumsfeld, they trust him too.


Charlotte: I'm on to Stevia myself.  And corn syrup, I think that's been around, they've been, that's really bad for you. 


Alan: Oh, dear, dear, dear, yeah.


Charlotte: Yeah, they wonder why we've got epidemic diabetics.  Well, these children are getting a tremendous amount of corn syrup in their diet.


Alan: They've also altered so much of it.  You see they've altered, the GMO foods out there, everything has been altered.  Especially the stuff they push the most.  They even altered your coffee, you know, ten years ago.


George: A friend of mine looked up and down her street one day, and she said, a lot of the children along this street are sick.  Now what is that about?  And she discovered that all of these problems of food, drugs, mercury, you know, inoculations and all that, all that together has destroyed the health of our children


Alan: We're being poisoned.  And to be honest with you, I think it's a healthy paranoia when you study history you find that was part of an agenda.


George: Well, paranoia is healthy, is it not? 


Alan: It's a survival mechanism. 


George: It's a survival mechanism.  You bet it is.  I look around, all around me all the time, because there's something might jump out from behind a tree.


Alan: You never know.


George: Yeah, one of them aliens might want to get me. (Chuckle)


Alan: That's right, one of these walking lizards.


George: Them walking lizards might get me, boy. 


Charlotte: Well guys, we didn't cover, there's so much more to talk about, to cover. 


George: Alan Watt, we need to have you back.  We beg for you to come back


Alan: Yeah, I'll come back.


George: And enjoy our conversation.  We love your conversation.  And thank you so very much tonight.  And we did touch a few hearts, I believe, and we answered a few questions.  And you really did a beautiful job in that today.


Charlotte: Let's give your website out, it's cuttingthroughthematrix.com.


George: Thank you very much, Alan.


Alan: Thanks for having me on. 


Charlotte: Thanks, Alan.


George: Yeah, Good Night.


Alan: Take Care.


George: Bye bye.


Charlotte: Bye.


Alan: Bye now.




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