January 2006
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VYZYGOTH – Welcome to the Grassy Knoll for yet another segment – the movable feast that is known as the Grassy Knoll – this is Vyz; and with us today we have Alan Watt.  Now, Alan is somebody who you might have heard on, he is a frequent guest on Jackie Patru’s “Sweet Liberty” – and there is a listener to this show and that show out in Manitoba, a very sweet lady by the name of Lady “O” who said in an e-mail: “You might want to check this gentleman out” – and I did, and she was right; and I am glad that he is with us today from, once again, the Great White North.  We have a guest and that is Alan Watt and Alan, thanks for visiting the Grassy Knoll.

ALAN – It’s a pleasure to be here.

 VYZYGOTH – You know, it’s kind of hard to define exactly who you are, and I am going to do two things: one is – I am going to ask you an ice-breaking question, okay?  And I just want your take on it cold, and then we’ll go on to how you came about the information that you have and the work that you have done.  Do you have any original take on this shooting of a citizen down in Miami’s Airport?

ALAN – Miami?

VYZYGOTH – Are you familiar with what happened there?

ALAN – I wasn’t, no.

VYZYGOTH – Okay.  Well, there was a gentleman apparently, who is bipolar, had come in from a flight from Colombia, South America, and supposedly he was not on his medication and flipped out after the plane touched down on its arrival in Miami.  Subsequently, an air marshal shot him dead.  Then they took the luggage out of the plane; spread it over the tarmac down in Miami; had bomb-sniffing dogs checking them all out, blew up some luggage and found no explosives.  So, I mean, I am just throwing that out because, you know, how we hear these stories and is that first take and what really is going on; and I just didn’t know if you looked into that: whether or not it had affected you in any way, shape or form.

ALAN – No; I mean, it’s not unexpected, because, in fact, it’s to be expected now as they really beef up the security side, and the guys are getting trigger-happy too, you know.   So I’m not surprised at all.  They had this whole deal in London Airports since the seventies.  And the public there are now used to armored vehicles even patrolling inside the airports and special police units and the black outfits and so on; so this is not really to be unexpected; it’s going to increase, in fact, obviously.

VYZYGOTH – You know, this may be just one of those organic occurrences; it just might be.  I mean, we are all suspicious and speculative, and for good reason.  While in this case it may say more about people and pharmaceuticals than it does about any kind of show of force by the air marshals or the military or whatever.  Be that as it may, I just wanted to throw it out there, but Alan, I am always curious especially about people I have not really got a lot of information about as to their experiences, and as, you know, with regard to their first look down the rabbit-hole.  When did you start to realize that the world that we live in is very much a matrix around which there is the real world?

ALAN – I always tell people and I am not kidding; I think I was born that way; because I saw two realities co-existing simultaneously from really the beginning and the first taste of it I got - and this is in Scotland, of course - was simply walking in and out of friends’ homes; and when you are a youngster you can do that and they ignore you, you know.  They carry on as normal; and every home I went into, everyone was arguing about the same things, which was to do with what at that time was rent money and money for food; it wasn’t for extras in those days.  And yet I thought: “well, how old is this system?” - even then I asked those questions; and I thought: “if Britain had an empire, how come I don’t see anybody with the fruits of this empire?  They all lived in London, which to me was a foreign, you know, country at that time.  It was so far away, and of course, the more I studied, once I got into school and had access to the libraries - and then I had excellent reference libraries too from old towns there with very old books - I realized that they were indeed changing history as time went on and they were rubbing out the truth with every publication of updated history books; and yet you could go into the reference libraries in Scotland and look over books written in the 1700s and get the real stuff that was happening at the time.

VYZYGOTH – Well, you make an excellent point, because I had been the beneficiary of seeing information like that in the United States and I think you were probably more endowed with that sort of thing and were more freely accessible to it over there than here.  But, yes, the books of antiquity, the statements that were made in the past are very much, as they say, is prologue to the future in a lot of cases…and I think that a lot of the luminaries were really in Great Britain at the time with the United Kingdom, who had this plan; at least part of them showed it to us; and of course I am talking about Rhodes and…known as Kindergarten; they were very-very vocal about what they wanted and they thought it the greatest thing.  This was not, I don’t think, as prevalent over here in the United States, especially contemporaneously.  Later on, now, you know - and I’ll talk to you about Carroll Quigley later on; but your remark about going back in and taking the looks, you know, at the information there, the writings of these elitists’ hands that said: “this is what we’re going to do” - and they’re doing it!

ALAN – In fact, the astounding thing is that they did write about it right up, openly, until the early nineteen hundreds, because primarily those types of books were only read by each other, themselves, their own peer group and so they had nothing to worry about the masses or the working people.  So they were quite open about where they were going, you know.

VYZYGOTH – When I tell people that the Plan has been pretty much exposed from time to time, sometimes with a laugh down the sleeve, many times overtly, as we see with H.G. Wells and others, even George Bernard Shaw - and they say: “well, why would they do that?” Now, maybe you’ve had that question posed to you; maybe it’s not an important question, but to these people who do not want to go where you are leading them and they realize you’ve got some hard information - how would you answer them about why they would do that?

ALAN – It’s a legality, I believe; I’ve come to the conclusion that these guys are so legal; it’s also a high Masonic ritual, where you must mock the victim; in other words, you inform them and it’s not your fault if they don’t quite understand what you mean; or they might think you mean something else, or they go into denial.  However, legally they have told you where they are going.  And I’ve noticed this over and over again; they always announce it somewhere.

VYZYGOTH – Interesting you should say that.  Are you familiar with a Rebecca Carley?

ALAN – I’ve heard the name.

VYZYGOTH – Well, she started the whole thing.  We had interview years ago and she said to us: “if you want to know where things are going, all you have to do is watch the Sci-Fi Channel and Hollywood” and she said something to the effect that is on my web site and this spurned off a bit of an international gathering of pre-911 overt symbology in movies and in, you know, some of Murdoch/Fox presentations, like the Lone Gunman and, believe it or not, ‘The Simpsons'.  So she said, in their sick Masonic minds or in their sick Masonic code, if they tell you what they’re going to do before they do it, it makes it Okay.  Would you agree with that statement?

ALAN – Yes, I’d say that the lower Masons haven’t a clue either, because Albert Pike said that they’re no different from the general public but the higher Masons definitely do; they talk in codes.

 VYZYGOTH – I’d just done an article for a paper and I put it up on my web site: on the “Zee Files” and I did one today on high-degree Freemasonry and its impact in the United States necessarily, okay?  So I’m only going to get hate mail from the Blue Lodge guys, even though I did try to stipulate that the Blue Lodge has no idea and you are right: Pike stated it in Morals and Dogma and elsewhere that they are porch members who are meant to be kept in the dark

ALAN – Yes they are.

VYZYGOTH – And I want to do, if we could, an hour sometime on just this whole “Masonry/Egyptian Sun-God Worship/Mystery Babylon Religion” thing in another show.  But getting back to what we had spoken about: what it all comes down to?  I mean, I think that this “One World” effort is partly spiritual, partly political and partly economic.  And I think we all agree now that it all comes down to economics.  And so let me state that to you: do you believe that what we are going to is what had been wanted since maybe five centuries ago?

ALAN – Even longer.

VYZYGOTH – Alright; can you tell: is it really to you a primarily economic system that they want to implement globally?

ALAN – Yes.

VYZYGOTH –  How far back does it go to, Alan?

ALAN – Well, The Great Work they call it - the Great Work was born about 4,000 BC; that’s what they claim in higher Freemasonry and also in Talmudic Judaism they also claim the same thing: that that was the beginning of this “cycle,” they call it; so now today it’s about 6,000 years old and this is the last phase of it, so it’s a very old plan.  And what they mean by “the light coming down” or the PLAN coming down from Heaven - what it meant was that was when the light dawned, the beginning of the actual Plan itself or the Great Work; and sure enough, that’s when we see the heavy outburst of merchandizing and gold trading in the ancient Middle East from Sumer and all over that area, even though they weighed the gold at that time.  I don’t think coinage came in until about 800 BC.  So they weighed it, but they used that as a substitute for real wealth and that was the first con, the first great trick that was ever done: to make people take that instead of food or barter, you know.

VYZYGOTH – So the development of the currency, one which was metal, was probably the first move, is that correct?

ALAN – It was definitely the first move; the entire structural system, even then, which they built up very quickly, enabled them to create cities, because then they could hire men.  It’s very hard to hire men if you have a ton of carrots or vegetables; but if you’ve trained them to accept money, then you can buy back their labor with that money, you know; and you create the first city - and then the city is artificial - it’s the first artificial habitat for humans; and so they must use the money within the city because they don’t produce anything themselves.  Everything comes into the city to support them.  Then you recruit the army within the city and once you have the army recruited, you can march out into the rural areas and dominate the people and force them too to use the same money system.  And that’s what went on and on and on.  And eventually, of course, they created the first empires and even the early empires of the Phoenicians were the first free trade zones and that’s what they called them: “free trade zones.”  Because wherever they went they introduced the same standardized weighing of - actually it was silver they really started with.  And so they had the same weights and measures, right up to the present day, from the days of Sumer!  It hasn’t changed, with the gram measurements and so on.

VYZYGOTH – Have you ever read a work called The Babylonian Woe?

ALAN – Yes.

VYZYGOTH – Am I to understand that perhaps, either you agree with that information or mind some information from that particular work?

ALAN – There is a lot of good information in there and a lot of the facts were right-on; it’s how they actually installed their own tyrants into countries; and then the tyrant would start borrowing from the guys who put him in power, which were the bankers; and create the debt system for his country; then you tax the people; you get them into slavery through taxation.  So it’s a con job; “it’s all a magic act” as they say, but it works very well and it’s worked right up into the present day.

 VYZYGOTH – Alright.  Let me recap if I got that straight.   There is a bit of a progression here: you can create the money to stand for value, right?  And you can build the city, which is an artificial construct, so to speak.  And then you can create the army; and I am looking today at what has happened in the twentieth century; and can we take it another step and there may be more steps - but can we take it another step and say: after you’ve got the money, you got the city, you got the army, somewhere along the line you’ve also grabbed all means of information, so that no-one can shed light on what you’re doing?

ALAN – Yes, because, what you do, once the public accepts money, you can then tax the public and the taxation: the word tax is “to labor”; that’s what it means – you “tax” yourself when you labor.  So they take it back from you, so many energy units back from you in the form of taxation; so you are really working for them.  In fact, today in the Federal Governments - I've been told by some people who work there - they say that everyone works for the Government. And they do really, through all the different taxes that you pay.

 VYZYGOTH  – Sure, no matter who you work for, you work for the Government.  And of course, there’s that whole issue here that we talk about the United States – maybe it’s even true in Canada, I don’t know – where we look at ourselves as having (or some of us do anyway) two citizenships: one is a resident of some geographical thing called the United States, and as employees to the corporation known as the United States of America, Inc.  Going back to earlier times, are you familiar, have you ever read any of the work by Philip or Paul Collins?

ALAN – I think I have, but it was a long time ago.

VYZYGOTH  – Okay, now it’s only because they’re going to be on, shortly, also.  They kind of created this continuum, I think that even went back to the Canaanites, to the Phoenicians and through, I guess, the Venetian Nobility and then, later on, I guess that the Rothschilds and such.  Are we looking, are you in agreement or can you give us some kind of high point in the timeline with what particular dynasties or nations really worked this scam to perfection?

ALAN – Well, I think this scam somehow had been done in what we call “a previous time,”  “an age,” you might say; and that’s a convenient way of categorizing chunks of time; and we know for instance and it used to be believed that Sumer was the first civilization.  That was on the go maybe 5,000 BC; and yet it appeared out of nowhere and it rapidly had all of its different specialized priesthoods who were bureaucrats and judges and so on.  It didn’t learn this by itself; it did not evolve that way; it had the information as might be seen from a previous age, and then we go into all of the clues that there was a previous time, when society has reached a certain height or zenith of power and technology and some sciences as well and for some reason most of it was wiped out; but the knowledge of that system came through again and started off; and now they know, because they dug up all the Sumerian cities that there was another culture that pre-existed them, who were also merchants, and they were called Hurrians or Harrapians.   So this goes way back, we don’t know how many thousands and thousands of years that this has been understood.  But it does seem that the science for some reason was partially lost at one pointThey all talk about catastrophes on the earth and a new beginning - so I think it’s probably a new beginning with some of them coming through with all of the knowledge of how to re-enslave the people - and that really is what the Great Work is; it’s re-establishing something, which they dimly referred to with their Golden Age, you see, and they want to re-establish that; and I think that’s what it’s all about.  I don’t think they evolved anything in Egypt or Sumer; probably it’s true there were secret brotherhoods who came through from a previous age with the knowledge and the sciences and knew exactly how to re-establish it - even in a more primitive form.

VYZYGOTH  – So it’s almost like with every civilization or epoch the same process takes over again.

ALAN – Yes.

VYZYGOTH  – And also it’s interesting you mention this, because, I guess, in times gone by - and I am not necessarily going to identify any religions whether it was Sumerian or Babylonian or whatever.  But the priesthood was necessary in those days because they held the Mojo and it was necessary to corrupt them first, was it not?

ALAN – Yes. Corruption is never a difficult thing, if you understand human nature.  And I don’t think there’s any being or subject on the planet that’s been more studied than the human beings, even many thousands of years ago, and a real eye-opener is to read the writings of the Greek philosophers and then you realize that when they pulled Freud out of the bag - Freud was just…he was from kindergarten to what these guys understood about human nature.

VYZYGOTH  – Well, you know, we had people on, who have - not so much intimated, but said straight-out, they thought that our species was de-evolving.  How do you feel about that?

ALAN – De-evolved; I know that’s a popular theory and I wouldn’t say so as such; I do think, as they say, there probably was a catastrophe and we find in the writings of Tacitus who wrote for Nero - he was a historian for Nero - that the Druids in Europe claimed, in Britain claimed that they had records of previous ages or catastrophes and how they survived them and they lived inside high mountains, inside caves.  You find that in the writings of the Greek historians - they had Mount Parnassus in Greece; and even if we go to the Armenians that lived at the foot of Mount Ararat, the real Ark is inside it; I mean, it’s just tunneled, in other wordsIt’s riddled with tunnels, that mountain.  And that’s where the high priests in those days survived the catastrophe.  Those who were left on the surface, I don’t think all were wiped out, but after a few generations they had gone back to the wild, you might say; and after an amount of time these priests would pop back out of the mountains with all the knowledge and they came down with the knowledge from the mountains. That’s the records of Sumer, in fact.  They came out from inside the mountains.

VYZYGOTH  – Perhaps it would give us a theme for a third hour, if you will be so good in time to give us a three-parter.  I’d like to really run that by about the inside world.  I am not necessarily and I’ll say this preparatorily that I am not so much a “hollow earth” guy, but I think there’s a lot of stuff going on underneath.

ALAN – There always has been; even today there’s underground bases; huge things all over the world; every country’s got them for the Elite to go in times of trouble; and that’s no secret, you know.

VYZYGOTH  – I keep thinking it’s “useless feeders” who live on the outside, right?  Alright, at this point I do want to give you an opportunity to tell us about how people can access some of the information, especially the series that you write that you referred to as a companion set in print to go along with the interviews you have done.  Can you tell us what it is; and where people can find it and how much it is?

ALAN – Well, there are three of them, the writings.  I have “Cutting Through” I call the series: One, Two and Three.  The first two mainly go into the ancient Masonic and the modern Masonic codings, because every language we have ever known has had the Masonic codings written through them and it’s used all the time in our face and we don’t realize it.  I write the two in a gestalt-type manner, so that the reader doesn’t go to sleep when he is reading; and as I say, that’s a Western indoctrination technique: we have all been programmed to fall asleep when we just soak up data, you know?  And we don’t retain it; so I write this in a fashion to keep the person involved as he’s reading; and that way he will remember it.  The third one is to do with the monied system going back for thousands of years and the writings about the monied system from Egyptian and Greek writers - how it came about, who ran it, how they brought the countries down one after another through debt and who was establishing it and so on.  It’s interesting that even the ancient writers like Aristotle… Aristotle, who basically gave the Christian Church its lead; they copied Aristotle’s philosophies for centuries.  Yet, Aristotle, who taught Alexander the Great to be a nice tyrant - Aristotle was married to one of the richest bankers in the Middle East.  So they are always connected, even historians.  [See for book ordering information.]

VYZYGOTH  – Well, I have had some zany experiences with an author out of Calgary, called by the name of Charles Wilcox, who has written a book about the Catholic and the Vatican provocateuring, during, you know, mainly around the Civil War time.  And some of the stuff that I had gotten back from him regarded video tapes.  I don’t know what they did with it, I mean, it’s scary; and I actually sent him back his own tapes, that he would do a lot of CBC taping, and, you know, sent me shows down.  I sent some…I sent him back; they came back to me.  They ripped the crap out of it, it was gone for a month and sent back to me - and that’s kind of unsettling.  So, yes, as James Thurber would write: yes, Father does check your mail.

ALAN – Oh, they do.

VYZYGOTH  – Alright, getting back to the task at hand.  And you said some interesting things, but, you know, looking back at the money situation.  William Still - I don’t know if that’s a name you’re familiar with; are you?

ALAN – Yes.

VYZYGOTH  – Alright.  Still said when he was on, and I refer to the Babylonian Woe and the whole money system and he said, you know: “either as to supplant that notion or to expand on it or build on it,” he also said: “it’s not so much what you use as value, but that the nation that has it is in charge of creating that.”  How do you feel about that?

ALAN – Well, personally, I don’t care who runs money, or who decides or even if the people think initially that they’re in charge of it; if they could possibly be - they wouldn’t be in charge of it for very long, because that’s human nature.  So I don’t think in a monied system the general population can never win out.  It just can’t happen.

VYZYGOTH  – Well, in a situation as in the United States and I’m sure you’re familiar with it; we look at a day of ruin, the day that they got through the Federal Reserve and then shortly afterwards, the income tax.  The United States Government, I guess, performed an unconstitutional act by extending to another entity, thatwhich belonged - that activity that belonged to the Government; and that is: we allowed the Federal Reserve to regulate the value of coin.  And I don’t know, whether or not, while you were over in Scotland any other time now in Canada - did you ever see an advent tantamount to that?

ALAN – Sure.

VYZYGOTH  – Alright, so that every nation more or less had this event, where all of a sudden they became basically enslaved by a taxation mechanism?

ALAN – Absolutely.  I think the income tax in Britain began in 1917 as a temporary war tax.   And that stayed there, of course, because nothing in that department is ever temporary. 

VYZYGOTH  – Right; there’s no taking it back, once it happens.

ALAN – No, no.  And of course, they’re liars anyway, because, you see, we are regarded as children.  We are sheep.  We are really the sheep, you know, and sheep aren’t the brightest creatures on the planet.  They are in fact the stupidest. And the shepherd, the good shepherd… Then they’ve always had a good shepherd in every age, you see?  He doesn’t come in to see the sheep and scare them; he comes in and he’ll talk to them.  And some of them might even come up and he’ll pat them, you know.  They get used to him; he doesn’t cull one of them and eat them in front of the rest or skin them and use the clothing.  He’ll coax one out from the rest, out of sight and then kill it; and that’s how you deal with sheep; you never let them know what’s really going on - and that’s the reality of this parallel government we have, which is worldwideMaggie Thatcher - she gave speeches in the nineties, early nineties across the world and the speech was under the title of the New World Order.  And in Massey Hall in Toronto some novice reporter actually wrote it up in a weekend and I guess the editor was off, because it appeared there; and most of the guests were CFR, which here is Canadian Institute of International Affairs - Commonwealth country.  She said: “the next coming war is going to be with the Middle East and fundamental Islam” and that they’d all have to get prepared for it, it was coming.  This was around 1991, you know.  And so I knew then what was on the cards.

VYZYGOTH  – Well, you mentioned two dates and I can’t let them go by or be past too far from them without addressing them right now.  That the UK would come with an income tax, very close in time to us; is it not a coincidence?

ALAN – Well that’s the world, isn’t it?  That’s our sheep world for us, you see?  Everything’s always a “coincidence.”  And you’d never get the truth out of the Big Boys.  What struck me too: during the sixties and seventies and eighties in Britain - actually since the end of World War II - were massive layoffs, and the public were never told why this was happening.  It was absolute chaos and the suicide rate was incredible, because people had no future.  And the Government went on as usual and didn’t say why, of course, because they “don’t tell the children.”  And some people suspected what was going on; I certainly did - and I noticed that the language every year, as delegations went over for the Common Market they called it at that time - the economic market - they had little phrases in there, like “cementing close ties” and this term “closer ties” came up over and over and over; then I realized it’s a legality; it’s a legal term they are using here.  They were binding the countries together financially; and if you do it economically, then you do it politically too - and sure enough, once they had united the countries together through deception…it was released only about a year and a half ago from the British Parliament that they had, they read the whole report out.  It was printed 1948 - that’s when they started this deal  - and they said that “the public must never be allowed to know the real intent and goal” of this agenda until it is completed.  So, here you are: this is rather typical; forty-odd, fifty years after the event you get told the truth. 

VYZYGOTH  – Well, you know, I go looking back from reading whatever.  And they cite, as I asked you in fact the other day about where’d you read that and you said October 30th Boston Globe; and I mean, thank Goodness, I can access that stuff.  But even when it’s electronic, in databases such as Lexus Nexus, that may some day disappear, if you know what I mean; and go down the memory hole.  However, thank Goodness, for Microfiche and Film and all that other stuff, where you can go back in and look in the past, like, say, Foreign Affairs.  And then you realize: after World War II there was a great deal of rhetoric about New World Order and stuff; and of course, it wasn’t in Life Magazine or Look Magazine, but these characters were talking about it; and then you wouldn’t have mentioned it before on other programs, where the think-tanks are raised up to create basically policy for all of us globally.  And I go back looking in the 1970s and I can’t remember the author of it, but it was in Foreign Affairs and the title was: “The Hard Road To A New World Order.”  Now, in the 70s I wasn’t paying attention, but when you go back and you look at that, it’s like “Holy Mackerel!”  But another thing too, you know, you say that Thatcher was talking about the New World Order in 1991 and by now it’s probably known by many that the Daddy Bush’s first mention of the New World Order in the United States was Nine-Eleven, 1991

ALAN – That’s right.

VYZYGOTH  – And again we go back to this wonderful numerology that the Freemasonry holds so dear, don’t they?

ALAN – Yes, indeed.

VYZYGOTH  – And I am also thinking about another thing that in the past show we had…we did a show on a lecture given by an individual by the name of Dr. Enrie Slaughter from the Woodrow Wilson School of Government in Princeton.  And she wrote a book; it’s out there, available on the Amazon, but she did a lecture on the New World Order.  And let me ask you how you feel about this, I mean, because, here is what she said: “The nation state is alive and well, but it’s disaggregating and what we really need now are international judiciary, legislative and regulatory agencies.”  So, don’t you find, Alan, that it’s kind of a double-speak?  The nation state…

ALAN – It’s always a double-speak.

VYZYGOTH  – Yea, and you know, it’s funny, because in the “question and answer” period some lightbulb in the audience - and this was given in Austin at the University of Texas Law School - and a guy, the guy called her out on it and she kind of, you know, “ehem, well, ya,”  and she said: “it’s only in the thinking stage; nothing is firm yet.”  As if to say: as long as it is a concept, it doesn’t really matter.  It’s like: “well, it’s not going to stay a concept forever.”  So what are you telling me, folks?  I mean, it’s harmless, because you are thinking about it?

ALAN –  And what you’ll always find too, is when someone like she was talking about it at that time, whenever they announce it to the public, everything they are talking about is already obsolete; they have gone much-much further, always.  Always.  They were never “just going to do” something, they have already done that stage of it.

VYZYGOTH  – Right.  And they just soften up the public with a little P.R..  It’s like some woman said, I remember to hear on some show about all the gadgetry and all the weapons that they have - a lot of bullet-less weapons, if you know what I mean?  And she said: “listen, if you hear about it now, it was in R&D fifty years ago.”  And of course, we have talked about, are there any such thing as really science fiction writers, you know?  One other thing about this; and then I want to go back into a little bit of antiquity again with you; and that is: I mentioned a White Paper that somehow just didn’t get on the hill and the mainstream news just didn’t pick it up, Alan, and it’s called Building a North American Community and the three entities that had contributed to this White Paper were the Council on Foreign Relations, the Canadian Council of Chief Executives - does that ring a bell?

ALAN – Yes.

VYZYGOTH  – Okay; and the Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internacionales.  So these characters, who aren’t elected - who knows from under what rock or woodwork they come - and they are making policy, and while they claim that they are not attached to the Government - within the body of this work it says: “but we want this implemented by the year 2010.”  And it’s like: if you’re not attached to the government, who is going to implement what you guys are cooking up?

ALAN – Well, that’s the whole thing: you see, the Governments are just a front.  They’re just a front, they’re a paper tiger.

VYZYGOTH  – Why were we given governments?  What was the deal with that?  Was that really for self-rule or was that for guys, well, to be preoccupied?

ALAN – Well, they found out in the 1700s; that was an age in Europe of rebellion; the public had enough and there were so many rebellions going on; so they began the Chartist Movement to give - and of course, they gave their leaders to the Chartist Movement, saying we’re going to get rights for the public - and out of that came your so-called “democratic” system.  Prior to that it was only the nobility who had votes in anything; and eventually about World War I again, the British public actually got the vote - the general working public.  And, so what they found: if the public thought they could vote - see, we don’t vote people in, we vote the present bunch out, we’re so sick of them; that’s how it works.  And so they found that if they give you the chance of someone new every four or five years, then you don’t have a revolution.  That’s how this game works. 

VYZYGOTH  – So, as we see in the United States right now - and I think this is probably…I mean, it’s not that I am that parochial or myopic about the United States, but I think that people have to be looking at us for all that we supposedly had, and are, and were, or whatever.  And we’re being given the biggest bag of dog manure and we don’t get it!

ALAN – No, you don’t get it, no.

VYZYGOTH  – And so what I am saying, I was on a show today, I called in, as a caller, and I said to this Democratic show and I like the guys, and I’m listening to some 9-11 stuff, but I’m saying: “you do a disservice, don’t you understand?  The Democrats cannot save the country.  You guys, when we have a regime change - just like you said - or what we are going to have, say Hillary comes in, right?”  And then the Democrats - even though she is continuing with the plan - the Democrats will support that which they castigated when the Republicans were doing it.  So everybody is sitting there saying that “the good old Republicans are dead, we rule the world, we’ll do it right,” and then they’ll do the same thing that Shrub did, that Clinton did, that Daddy Bush did, that Reagan did, that Carter did.  Gosh!

ALAN – Yes.  That never changes, there’s only one Agenda and it goes forward, regardless of what front person is in power or appears to be in power.  The bureaucracies really have bypassed the politicians since they set up the League of Nations.  And H.G. Wells talked about that when it happened right after World War I.  He said: “the politicians are now irrelevant, because the high-level bureaucracies can converse straight with their counterparts at the League of Nations.”  Now it’s the United Nations.  They don’t have to even go through the politicians.  And those guys, remember, all these bureaucrats, the Federal ones, are unelected.  And they are also hereditary positions, again, that’s another thing that people don’t realize.  That we have generations of intergenerational bureaucrats who all are brought up with a silver spoon in their mouths; they all live together, marry each other and they know what their agenda is, in those bureaucracies; they don’t care who is apparently in power, you know.

VYZYGOTH  – Well, my feeling is this, and please respond.  It seems to me that Europe - the Old World - may have been the “Old World,” but they were the Strong World.  And even though the United States became the New World, our freedom was only short-lived and that really, to this very day, because Europe was out there the first and captured the wealth that really they still run the show and only let the United States think it was the top dog, because they were very-very willing and generous about using our best blood to go fight European wars and other things.  So they made us feel like we were King, and then they said: “Okay, bring your troops over” and then, to me, you know, it’s…I’m not talking about the British people, alright?  And the Brits kind of sat back in the rocking chair and let the Yanks go at it.

ALAN – I think it was Kipling that was in on that changeover, because there was a poem written about “The White Man’s Burden” and that “We pass the torch on to You” - and that was written and read eventually on the US Senate floor by the author.  That was a Masonic meeting on that floor, you know?  I mean, the word “Senate” is an Egyptian word; it means the “Chessboard.”  So, when someone addresses that from another country on a Senate level, that person is a high-degree Mason. 

VYZYGOTH  – And so that also was embraced by the Roman Empire, was it not?

ALAN – Yes, it was.  So it’s a game, you see, and only the boys on that board, on that level, understand the game; and that’s what he said: “We’ll pass the torch on to You;” because they had exhausted the British taxpayers; they had taken them through an Industrial Revolution, where they couldn’t even buy the shoes that they were making, you know, as Franklin said.  And they had been taxed to the hilt, they had been sent off for perpetual wars ever since the Rothschilds took over the Bank of England and Britain was exhausted after World War I.  So they had to pass it on to the up-and-coming one, the New Champion, you see, under a better cover of, you know, “freedom,” etcetera - a country with not a long history.  Britain’s history was…no-one would trust London ever again, or Paris, or any of those old countries, so they created the United States to take it over; and that’s what it did.  The shining knight on the white horse; and that was the guise that’s come up to the present time: “We are doing it to make the world safe for Democracy,” you know?

 VYZYGOTH  – A quick sideboard question, because we are in that season of happy Saturnalia for Christmas or Xmas or whatever you want to call it, when you m…[interruption] …if you could give me a response to this; and that is: would I be correct in assuming - and this is not my idea; Harry, my old partner and I talked about this - but did Dickens kind of give an elbow to the ribs of the Rothschilds with something like, you know, the Christmas story, Scrooge and Marley?

ALAN – Yes, in a sense he did.  However, there was another side to the Rothschilds that’s never discussed.  And that is - now, the traditional story that people love to use is that the Rothschilds’ sons were sent off to different countries and just took over the central banks by cunning and good luck, you know.  Now, here’s a dumb thing for anyone to believe this.  The British aristocracy and nobility came from Norman descent and they had already run Britain for over a thousand years, thousand and a half years - or at least a thousand years.  So, anyway, they had their own hit teams and assassins and so on.  They allowed Rothschild to become the manager of that bank.  Because they could have bumped him off at any time and they would have, if it was all real and they truly were enemies, because they were not going to allow anybody to come in and take over their money.

VYZYGOTH  – That’s almost like a Chicago gambling scenario from the twenties here, you know what I mean?  If you move into somebody’s territory and you won’t give it up, you are going to pay. 

ALAN – You are going to pay; and this lone guy, this fat little guy walking around the narrow streets of London and he was left unscathed - that tells you that he was protected by the nobility.

VYZYGOTH  – Was that old Amschel Bauer?

ALAN – Amschel was the father.

VYZYGOTH  – Okay, and this was what?  Nathan?

ALAN – Nathan Rothschild.  That’s the thing.  I mean, he was left alone; I think he was brought in for his purpose by the nobility and the aristocracy.

VYZYGOTH  – Well, now I am reminding everybody that you are listening to the Grassy Knoll, this is Vyz with Alan Watt.  Alan has a “Cutting Through” series, three parts.  Again, would you tell us which of the three parts relates to what particular topic?

ALAN – Well, the first two - one and two - go through Freemasonry and a few things, which they have really never thought about.  I go through how they literally really created the English language to contain all of their codings and they created it in the 1500s and Francis Bacon talked about the creation of the English language; and the third one goes into the monied system, the control technique of creating debt in countries, and then putting their own boys in charge of those countries to manage the debt under the guise of governments and so on.  They’re definitely worth the read.  It’s different from what you’ve seen before.  [See for book ordering information.]

VYZYGOTH – And what is key here with regard to the monetary situation is that you take international postal money orders, correct?

ALAN – That’s right, from a Post Office.

VYZYGOTH – And those Yanks that are willing to live dangerously, you can send him Federal Reserve notes and put it in tin foil and send it on out there.  I am just curious, if you don’t mind me asking it; I am not really familiar with where Estaire is - where are you…what’s the closest city you’re located in?

ALAN – Estaire is near Sudbury.  Near Sudbury, North Ontario.

VYZYGOTH – Wayne Gretzky owns a hockey team there, but that’s not an important thing.  Alright, going back to the history.  I am going to ask you one too.  There’s an organization, I found that had very little light shown on it in England - it was an Anglo-American relationship.  Quigley gave up a lot about Rhodes and Milner, but said nothing about the Pilgrim Society.  Are you familiar with that at all?  What is the deal with the Pilgrim Society?

ALAN – There is a long connection here with this Mystery bunch and Mystery Religion and the United States, going back to the foundation of the United States.  There is even a play on the word Puritan, because many of the Puritans, when you really go into it, had a little bit more than religion; and they were extremely wealthy, they had their own charter of democracy, by the way; it was democracy they had on their ship they had put together themselves, supposedly; and they even had a structural system where they would divvy up the land when they landed; and run it in a communal fashion, almost like a mini government, a mini democracy.  And they had scandals, which broke out after the head-man died.  I saw a book from the 1800s recently, in fact, in an old bookstore going into this and how he’d legally and through devious means managed to take money from so many of them; and property without them even knowing, but did it all through various legal means, so I wasn’t surprised there.  But there had been a tie between the Mystery Religions, you might say, and the ones who claimed to be pure, you know.

VYZYGOTH – Well, Theresa Roy [?] wrote about this; this was the first time that I encountered it and he did a three-part series on it and he referenced the books which you read; and I got them through interlibrary loan.  Two of them were written by a member; the third and the latest was written probably as an authorized biography, if you will; but they have in the back all the meetings that they have and usually there they have a guest and who that should be?  It was Kissinger in this one and that one; and then they tell you where it was and all; but then it suddenly just says: “the Inner and the Middle Court.”  And I’m like: “what’s the Inner and the Middle Court?”  And I wonder, you know, “hmm, that sounds interesting” and they say not much about it - no guests of honor or anything, just “Inner and the Middle Court.”  And this reflects back to what you said about the City of London.  To me, if I look around probably the two biggest networks I think that run the show; the City of London - is that to be distinguished from London?

ALAN – It is, really, it’s got its own Charter.

VYZYGOTH – And I think also the Vatican.  But the City of London; it’s a very interesting situation, isn’t it?

ALAN – Yes, it is; it’s a sovereign, really, a sovereign state within a country.  

VYZYGOTH – As is the Vatican, true?

ALAN – Yes.

VYZYGOTH – Are we right in assuming that the Royals never really did fade away; they may have stepped back and like you said: “alright, let’s have this Government thing going, get on guys, see you later on.”  But are they poised in most of the nations of Europe to step up one day and wish the re-institution of, this time, a new feudalism?

ALAN – It’s already happened, in a sense.  The new feudalism, as Carroll Quigley said, would be based…the new feudal overlords would be multi-and international corporations who would then be dictating policy; well, they are, as we know.  They are through, because they all have front groups of NGOs and they fund these front groups, who then put pressure or the apparent pressure for public consumption on to the Government, who then quite happily sign the various laws that they want enacted.  So the international corporations are already doing this.  They have been doing it for many years, in fact - and Carroll Quigley was quite explicit about that; that that would be the new form, again, of economic tyranny run by the overlords, which are international corporations.  To be honest with you, I really don’t think we have separate international corporations - that’s how far I go with all of this.  I think they are all one anyway.

VYZYGOTH – I agree, but could you be a little more explicit in developing what you have just said?  When you talk about international corporations as being all one, can you give us some kind of example of it?

ALAN – It’s common sense.  I always think of Albert Pike, who gives you the laws and the rules of this Masonic game.  And he said that “a person who will not use their own powers of reason,” - not the Media’s or what you’re told, but your own powers of reason, he said: “ is nothing more than meat on the table and a beast of burden by choice and consent.”  And so my reason tells me that if there were two or three major car corporations - for an example - and a CEO can leave one and go to another, a supposed “competitor,” and take all of the future plans with him, obviously, then there would be chaos on those markets.  And you could never allow them to even leave, because those guys make business plans for fifty or a hundred years ahead in investments.  So, how on earth could the top man leave, knowing all the stuff and go to a competitor?  It would fall apart; there would be warfare amongst them.

VYZYGOTH – So, in a sense, we have a Global Monopoly. 

ALAN – Yes, we have it right now and that’s what I’ve known for many years; that really everything is one, as they are always telling us - they are all one and it’s one system.  You don’t get up to the top in anything because you work hard and you’re lucky and get the breaks.  You only get up to the top if they open the door and let you in.  That’s how the real system works.  And it’s like Bill Gates, I mean, he deals with the computer industry, so he is the Masonic gatekeeper of information.  You have your Apple computers.  Apple is what?  That’s knowledge, the Tree of Knowledge, you see?  Takes the Apple.  The best apple is a MacIntosh, you know.  I mean, this is all Masonic wording.

VYZYGOTH – Oh, you mean, it is just not a coincidence, eh?

ALAN – Oh, no.  They’re playing jokes with us, all the time.

VYZYGOTH – And one other thing I wanted to tell you, we’re going to probably run out of time and I want to run by your information again.  I know I can’t send you an e-mail, I know what your situation is; but in the Pilgrim - one of the three Pilgrim books, you would love it!  There is Harry Truman with a grin from ear-to-ear, as you know Harry Truman could smile; and he is glad-handing somebody from the Pilgrim Society - it was not somebody like a king or a prince or whatever, and the Masonic grip is just so in your face: it’s like the joke is on us, guys - you know what I mean?  So, I mean, you’d love it, I’ve got to somehow get you that facsimile; I keep threatening to put up a whole series of what we could call “They Know The Handshake,” upon the site. 

We have been talking to Alan Watt out of Canada and he is a frequent guest on Jackie Patru’s Sweet Liberty and a couple of other places; and you can look around and do a search and you will find out what he is about and hear other interviews he’s given.  We hope he will come back for tomorrow with us.  He has written a series, called the “Cutting Through” series - it’s 3 parts.

Alan, that’s outstanding, I mean, I am getting better all the time.  We’re gonna leave him now, and if you would, I would ask you if you could - I will tell you, well, I’ll cut you free, but if you don’t mind I will call back and we can make some arrangements for future shows.  I hope you have enjoyed your time here, obviously, we, you know, I am very-very encouraged to have heard so much about you and that the fact is that you are the real deal and we thank you, and of course, we’d like to have you come on again.  This is Alan Watt, I am Vyz; this is the Grassy Knoll and we’ll catch you in another week.  Good night.

ALAN – Good night.



Alan's Materials Available for Purchase and Ordering Information:


"Cutting Through"
  Volumes 1, 2, 3


"Waiting for the Miracle....."
Also available in Spanish or Portuguese translation: "Esperando el Milagro....." (Español) & "Esperando um Milagre....." (Português)


Ancient Religions and History MP3 CDs:
Part 1 (1998) and Part 2 (1998-2000)


Blurbs and 'Cutting Through the Matrix' Shows on MP3 CDs (Up to 50 Hours per Disc)


"Reality Check Part 1"   &   "Reality Check Part 2 - Wisdom, Esoterica and ...TIME"


Transcript:  Tim