Alan Watt on

"Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru

March 29, 2005




Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Tuesday. It is the 29th of March in the year 2005. Today is day 11 for Terri Schiavo, folks, and I wanted to say this tonight. Just because we aren't spending the entire broadcast discussing Terri does not mean that we give up and not that it's necessarily going to make a difference, but I think that the calls and the emails and the faxes should keep going into Jeb Bush and basically just to let them know folks how many people, how many of us know that you know and maybe that's all the good that it would do. But it doesn't mean we sit back and say okay that's it, it's over because it's never over until the fat lady sings, at least that's what I learned in school. I don't what you learned.


Our spiritual message this evening is St. Francis of Assisi prayer.


            "Father, make me an instrument of your piece. Where there is hatred, let me so love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt let me sow faith. Where there is despair, hope. Where there is darkness, let me sow light and where there is sadness, joy. Father, grant that I may not so much to be consulted as to consul. To be understood as to understand. To be loved as to love for it is in giving that we receive. It is in pardoning that we are pardoned and it is dying that we are born into eternal life."


That is very lovely for me. Our guest this evening once again is Alan Watt, folks, and Alan, thanks so much for being here.


Alan:  It's a pleasure if we're actually on.


Jackie:  Are we actually on?


Alan:  I don't know.


Jackie:  Alan, for the sake of our shortwave listeners who didn't hear it last night, basically what we talked about is what was going on behind the scenes with this Terri Schiavo situation being like you said on every where you turned, every TV, radio et cetera, and what was going on behind the scenes was the merging of the Americas, yes?


Alan:  That's right, on the 23rd.


Jackie:  For the sake of our listeners who really couldn't hear this last night, could you brief them again on this, Alan?


Alan:  Previously on the 14th, The Council on Foreign Relations broadcast on television their plan for the future, which was basically an amalgamated Americas. Then the following week Prime Minister Martin of Canada and Mr. Bush and Mr. Fox met in Waco, Texas before going on to the ranch there and on two television stations in Canada, the CBC (which is the government station) and City Television they showed us two versions and you could piece together the whole thing from the two. In other words, they were heavily censored but it did come out and one reporter did ask when "the three amigos" as they called them when they were up on stage.


Jackie:  The three amigos?


Alan:  That's what they called them. 


Jackie:  Oh, for God sake.


Alan:  When they were up on stage.


Jackie:  In Canada?


Alan:  Yes.


Jackie:  That was a good way to bring Mexico up to Canada, wasn't it?


Alan:  Yes and the reporter asked them, he says, "Is this the amalgamation the same as the European Union style?" and Paul Martin stepped in and he gave a vague answer which he says, "It's not quite the big bang" and then he rambled on from there, but then Mr. Bush stepped in and he was rather enthusiastic and he wasn't reading the script and he got carried away I think and he says, "I envisage closer cooperation and ties".  Now that's the same terminology they used all through the Free Trade amalgamation for the Europeans was "closer ties." What they've done is sign into law that a common taxation system for the whole Americas, a common right to all natural resources shared amongst them all, which are the big boys anyway, it's nothing to do with us, and a gradual disappearing of the borders within four years, which is exactly the same format as when you join the European Union – as they're amalgamating they give four years for the dissolution of the borders, so this is all part one. They signed it into law and they've got nine more meetings this year to fast-track the rest of it through.


Jackie:  And that four years gives them an opportunity to very slowly and subtly pull it over on the people to where the people by the time that "four years" is up they're full-fledged into it and don't even know it, Alan.


Alan:  They won't even know. In fact they already admitted that the CIA and Canada's CSIS (a similar organization) are already blended. The law enforcement are all being amalgamated right now. Bureaucrats from the Canadian government can now apply to work in the U.S. Federal government and vice versa, so it's already here.


Jackie:  Oh my. Why is it then we would have a Russian Jew, Chertoff, for head of the Homeland Security?


Alan:  Well, he's had plenty of training and experience with the KGB. I mean the Russians had the trial run of how to contain a whole people and brainwash them and keep them living in fear.


Jackie:  For our listeners and folks, I know you've heard this if you are long-time listener, but the book that I read by Mikhail Heller when Alan mentions Russia or the Soviet Union and it was a giant laboratory is exactly what it was. They created the new man. The new man was the Soviet man, by the way, and he says – listen to this. I just grabbed the book here, Alan. He said that "in the Soviet Union people aren't born. Organisms are born and we've turned them into people".  He said, "we turn them into truck drivers, tractor drivers, academicians," et cetera and he said, "it took millions of years for man to become homo sapiens, but in 60 short years we have created a whole new species called the Soviet man," Homo-Sovieticus.


Alan:  See that's that plan society which the elite wrote about over 100 years ago.


Jackie:  I can't find this place in the book but I guess I don't need it. This is exactly what is happening just what he said. A whole new species has emerged, Alan, like the cougars.


Alan:  Like Bertrand Russell and all the other front men who were told what to write basically and Bertrand Russell was Lord Bertrand Russell so he was talking from the perspective of one of the elite. In his own books he said that the future that we are creating will not be haphazard. He said "no one would be born into the society unless we have a function for them." You're talking about a totally planned society.


Jackie:  Yes. At least back into the bioethics what's going on with Terri, I have been reading a lot about so-called bioethics, realizing of course that it isn't ethical at all.


Alan:  You see it's the new name. The Rockefellers started up back in the 1920's the first Eugenics Society and now of course they've got dirty names after they measured people's skulls and decided they weren't worth living, so they changed their name to "Bioethics" which is more consumer friendly; and so they don't plan to have people born or at least allowed to live--


Jackie:  That's right and folks, listening to this, because honestly when I read Orwell's "1984" it didn't hit me that this is what they mean and it is certainly of course hitting me now. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a tendency to hear it but not really hear it. We listen but we don't get it, but what exactly Alan and I are talking about right now is exactly the plan. In other words, and my sis said this today, Alan. She said, "you mean in other words if my hips get bad they could just kill me?" I said "that's right sis" and that's exactly, folks, they're talking about the marginal elders. I mean they're saying it right out loud that this is going to be the treatment of—I forget how they call it—withholding food and water. 


Alan:  Starvation.


Jackie:  But no, it isn't starvation, it's dehydration, Alan.


Alan:  As well, yes. Regardless, it's murder but you see they put their own books out there many years ago and nobody reads them and these are not conspiracy books because they're written by people who attend these meetings. Bertrand Russell was a member of The Royal Institute of International Affairs, which is the British Commonwealth version of the CFR. It's all one big club and he wrote "The Impact of Science on Society."  That's one of his books and he goes through this very thing, that they'd have to consider how much of a population they would actually need to fulfill certain basic functions and then decide which ones out of that population they would allow to live to fulfill those roles, based on IQ, sickness and so on.


Jackie:  Or lack thereof.


Alan:  Yes and when you couple that with the definition of the UN of a "good world citizen," which Mr. Rockefeller calls himself, a good world citizen under the UN definition is a good producer-consumer. Now when you become purely a consumer you're now a useless eater; you're wasting the resources of the world. You can see how it's all working perfectly along the same lines to where they want us all to go. It's perfect because they're all working in tandem and they're on the same track and Joe Public when he hears this--


Jackie:  It doesn't register, Alan.  


Alan:  He can't believe it.


Jackie:  Well of course not, because it's taken a long time for me to actually get it that what we're talking about is for real. I mean we've talked about this and I've written about it, not this particular but all of it and it stays in and around our mind somewhere that it's unreal even though we know it is real.


Alan:  Until the knock comes to your door.


Jackie:  Exactly, but no, see, before that sometimes you get it before the knock comes. I got it and the seriousness of it for people to understand cannot be exaggerated.


Alan:  No, that's just it. You see, we're living under mind control. In fact the whole system from birth is intense mind control, which is reinforced through a universal schooling system so that everyone grows up with the same impressions and ideas thinking they're sane because their neighbor and all their friends who when through the same system all have the same opinions, so we must all be sane. That's how easy it is to train a whole society or a world to live under mind control and never know it. Zbigniew Brzezinski, he's still one of the top advisers there for all the presidents, Brzezinski in his own books "Between Two Ages" and the "Technetronic Era" talked in the '60's about the coming population. He said we're almost at the stage where the average individual is unable to think for themselves. He said all they'll be able to do shortly is repeat what was downloaded into them on the previous night's news. Now when you couple that with what Bertrand Russell said in his book, "The Impact of Science on Society," it's the same darn scheme. Bertrand Russell said that they were creating the people to only believe in the experts and that there would be experts for everything and that is a fact.


Jackie:  And when people argue with you, they say I know it, and when you ask them how they know it, they say because some guy in a white coat on the television said it.


Alan:  Yes, that's correct and that's exactly what happened with the Schiavo case. We watched the people with the professional uniforms on and I'm talking about the suits and ties, because fascism comes with a suit and tie, not with a uniform, and it's got a friendly face and then you see the judges with their cloaks on, so we're all well impressed by these experts and really these are just people. A hundred years ago if they tried this, those people wouldn't be walking around too long you know. However, everyone has been emasculated through this mind control system we've been under and the men especially today hardly know really what they are. They've been accused of everything so much that they've lost their natural abilities you might say to maintain--


Jackie:  You mean with the feminist movement?


Alan:  The feminist movement, everything, I mean the white man's been blamed for everything that's happened on the planet and so he doesn't know which way to go – if he's doing something right or wrong or whatever, he's unsure of himself in other words. He doesn't act on his impulse or instincts of self-preservation.


Jackie:  And that is the male instinct, not only self-preservation, but protectionist.


Alan:  Yes and this is what they called "scientific socialism," through a careful gradual process over maybe 50 years, Russell and other ones and H.G. Wells said the same thing, they said, "We can basically reduce the male to be impotent; mentally impotent," and that has been achieved. Of course, people think they have a free media. There are no free medias out there.


Jackie:  What do you mean free media?


Alan:  Independent.


Jackie:  Well, there's us.


Alan:  That's maybe it, but out there I'm talking about the regular, you know mainstream usual. When they can spray whole continents from the sky for the last five or six years on an almost a daily basis, not one newspaper or television is even – obviously they won't even mention it. Now that tells you that they're not independent whatsoever.


Jackie:  Exactly, where the control is.


Alan:  They're totally controlled.


Jackie:  You know what's amazing to me? When I was reading Doug Reese book "Controversy of Zion" back in the 1700's he told about the press control back then and how the press could totally ruin an individual who was standing up telling the truth.


Alan:  I've seen some of the original newspapers of the 1700's because I used to go to the old libraries in Scotland and I can't even describe what they'd put on a political cartoon when they were bringing somebody down because it was pre-Victorian and you wouldn't believe how they cartooned people in order to discredit them; but it's always been this way. For mind control you must have all the media working for you because the public get most of their "ongoing adult education," as it's called cryptically, from the media and that gives them their sense of reality.


Jackie:  Who was the prime minister before Churchill?


Alan:  Lloyd George was in.


Jackie:  Somebody before him.


Alan:  Are you talking about the one who signed the pact or the treaty with Hitler and he came back--


Jackie:  What was his name?


Alan:  It slipped my mind. I can actually see him.


Jackie:  Well, I can't see him but anyway it will come in. This reminds me of the same thing. Anyway, he went and spoke personally with Adolph Hitler and came back and he announced there will be no war and the people in England were cheering and celebrating. The people in Germany were celebrating. Does it start with an N?


Alan:  Neville Chamberlain.


Jackie:  Neville Chamberlain, thank you. Okay folks, this is the power of the press that we're talking about. He actually negotiated a peace with Germany and when he came back and announced that and everybody was cheering, what they did in about a few weeks span of time is that the press totally denigrated him. He was blamed for something that had to do with the navy that Churchill actually was responsible for and he was run right out of office and that was the press doing it again because they were going to have their war.


Alan:  This war was planned and to be honest, this is my opinion, but I think the top boys on all sides are always in on it. In fact when Hess flew to Britain – I don’t know if people realize that Hess was related to the royal family.


Jackie:  Was he really?


Alan:  The House of Hess is part of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha line yes.


Jackie:  Why did he stay in prison the rest of his life?


Alan:  We don't even know if he did, you know.


Jackie:  We don't know, do we, Alan?


Alan:  In fact they've even had BBC programs on that, where no one was allowed to see him and on one occasion one of his relatives said that wasn't him, so we'll never really know. Do you know where he took off to go and see? Who he was going to see?


Jackie:  No. Who was he going to see?


Alan:  He was going to see Lord Lothian who was the head of The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the CFR. He landed on his property.


Jackie:  I remember reading that, Alan.


Alan:  You see, so these guys had it all planned this thing and I'm sure they said to Adolf and so on, you go so far and then we'll come in and then will have a bit of a fight and then we'll have a truce; but of course they did a bad deal with them and Hess came over to see what was going on. These are all chess games and even those who go along with it can get dragged right down the tubes, but they've planned many wars in the past. This is an old, old strategy. In fact, Plato talked about it, where the elite of Athens and all the other islands, Iona and Attica, they'd agreed amongst themselves to have wars every so often to, number one, benefit the bankers because they have to buy new weapons after the vanquished all died and so on, and to keep the populations down, so they had these regular wars going on and they decided before who was going to declare victory for the history books.


Jackie:  And so what's new today?


Alan:  There's nothing new.


Jackie:  There's nothing new under the sun.


Alan:  Carroll Quigley said that wars are actually fought to achieve social change.


Jackie:  Remember Norman Dodd from the Carnegie Foundation? He read it right in their notes when he went to get their notes and they said well they're all stored away because once the U.S. joined the UN our work was done. In there he read in their minutes of their meetings, early 1900's, where would be – well, first of all, the question was asked: Is there any way to change a society, or what would we call it, any better way other than war? And they came up with: no, war is the way. If you want it never to return to the way it was, you have a war; and then they decided, well, let's see. Where should we have that war then? Oh, the Balkans would be a good place because that's the place that's already filled with unrest. Now they planned this 1906, Alan, and the First World War broke out, what, in 1913?


Alan:  1914.


Jackie:  Okay. Oh, that's right. Now I don't know if this is true, but I have read it, that they decided that they did not want to have that first war until the Federal Reserve Act was passed in the U.S.


Alan:  That is true.


Jackie:  And then the American people can pay for the war.


Alan:  That's right. Mandell House basically said that. He's often called the man who lived through five presidents because he advised five presidents.


Jackie:  He was Wilson's alter ego, wasn't he?


Alan:  Wilson was a puppet. Even some of the memoirs of those around him admitted that.


Jackie:  He was prideful.


Alan:  And he wasn't very bright.


Jackie:  And they stroke him, give him some money and give him a nice, big, huge, impressive home. That's what it took for him. That's all it took for him.


Alan:  That's right. He was the most boring speechmaker ever, apparently. However, Mandell House was called "The Park Bench Politician."


Jackie:  Yes, because he used to sit out on the park bench telling them what to do.


Alan:  And you know why?


Jackie:  No.


Alan:  Remember he wrote a novel called "Philip Dru: Administrator"


Jackie:  Yes, I read it.


Alan:  He's even got himself in the novel in a place called Mandell House and in the novel, which was written around 1912, he says a group of powerful men set up an invisible government and buy politicians to front for them.


Jackie:  Alan, we have to take our break and the music is playing. We'll pick this up on the other side. All right, folks, we're back with you. Alan Watt is our guest tonight and as usual, I don't know about for you, but we wend ourselves into conversations that are so fascinating and so enlightening that – Alan, thanks for coming on with me.


Alan:  It's a pleasure.


Jackie:  Okay. We were talking about Mandell House. You were talking about the book he wrote. That was in 1912, two years before the First World War and an administrator.


Alan:  He said that special advisers would be the real powers behind the man that the public sees as a president or prime ministers because they were taking over the world and in the novel one of the presidents starts to get uppity and believe he really is the president so they had to take him down a few pegs. Now the message the big boys used, and believe this or not, this is 1912, was to install tape recorders – tape recorders before they were invented, by the way, and they taped all his conversations and then exposed some of it to the public, to the media that then criticized the president and that brought him back into line.


Jackie:  Now where did you ever read this that they had tape-recorded him?


Alan:  It was in his novels.


Jackie:  Oh my God, Alan, you're right. "Philip Dru: Administrator."


Alan:  That is why Mandell House was called "The Park Bench Adviser," because he always talked to the press or everybody else on a park bench where no one could tape him. Now this is before the public ever heard or saw a tape recorder and these guys always have advance sciences way ahead of what the public know.


Jackie:  You know I remember reading and I think this was in Doug Reed's book, "Controversy of Zion," Edward Mandell House actually was running the government and he would have meetings with high people from other countries in his apartment. There was one time when Woodrow Wilson the President was in there and some ambassador or something came into Mandell House's apartment and he excused the president from the room.


Alan:  I can believe it.


Jackie:  And after that I think is when Woodrow Wilson was just pretty much you know done.


Alan:  He served his purpose and he tried to set up the League of Nations and that was one of his main jobs.


Jackie:  No he didn't.


Alan:  No.


Jackie:  But he was credited with it.


Alan:  Yes, he was a front man.


Jackie:  Remember before it was the League of Nations it was called The League to Enforce Peace.


Alan:  That's right.


Jackie:  The League to Enforce Peace.


Alan:  Doublespeak, yes, but isn’t it amazing that even in that novel he gives you the fact that there are men behind the scenes who are big multi, multi-billionaires who then employ the advisers and train the advisers. The advisers tell the presidents and prime ministers what really is the future because they plan the future like a business plan and then they use that exact same technique of bringing down a president with Nixon. The same technique, they bugged the whole White House with tape recorders.


Jackie:  Now we were told that Nixon was playing tapes because he wanted to write is memoirs.


Alan:  That's the story, but at the time they actually said before they came up with that it was for another reason.


Jackie:  Oh, in other words, that's why they had the tape. That was the justification. You're right because in the book "Henry Kissinger" that is addressed exactly what you just said the way they hid. They actually bugged his office.Alan, it was unbelievable the way they set that man up.


Alan:  Yes and as I say it's more incredible that somebody wrote about that technique around 1912 and even tape recorders before the public ever heard of a tape recorder.


Jackie:  Well, see I need to read that book again because I read it quite a few years ago. I don't mean like 20 years ago but before I was really seeing, Alan. I mean it was intense enough reading it then but I can't imagine what I would see when I read it the second time.


Alan:  That's right. It's amazing how much is out there to the public and the public don't see it and that's what they call "the mocking of the victim" in Masonry. They will put something out there. It's not up to them if you understand it or not. It's a form of legality that they have shown you, and stupid you if you didn't catch on.


Jackie:  A form of legality. That's exactly what's happening right now with the Terri Schiavo case.


Alan:  Yes it is.


Jackie:  It's all legal. It's all the courts, the law. I mean of course they're lying at every turn because the law is there that prohibits what they're doing but that doesn’t even matter, Alan.


Alan:  As I say, it's a Masonic "must be" and nothing will stop it because this was planned to go through. It's got to go down in the books as precedence. It gives them the right then to decide by the courts who will live and die and also what they determine as quality of life will go down on the books.


Jackie:  They get the man on the streets saying – I think I told you this, that when I talked to Jody about this and she asked me what I thought about it, but before she got my answer she said, you know, mom, I wouldn't want to live like her, would you? And Alan, Jody is a very compassionate person, so this gives me glimpse of how slick they are, so I began to tell Jody first of all that she wouldn't even be in that condition if she had ever had any therapy. I mean it goes on and on and on, Alan.


Alan:  I know. There was a woman on a show here not long ago who had a massive stroke--


Jackie:  That was Kate Adamson probably.


Alan:  I know that she's doing well now and she can talk coherently and so on.


Jackie:  But the point I was making is this: In the face of all the evidence that is out there, what they keep saying is they keep pushing this into peoples minds, "I wouldn’t want to live like that, would you?"


Alan:  In a vegetative state.


Jackie:  In a vegetative state.


Alan:  "Weapons of mass destruction," over and over.


Jackie:  These are not the people who are saying why don't you let her die. I've had two or three people write to me and say why don't you leave it alone. Let her die. Don't you have any compassion?


Alan:  Yet, here you are, being taken through a High Masonic psychodrama. This is what this production is and they have the public doing exactly as they're trained to do, debate A and B, and they're all at each other's throats over it and yet none of the public have been there themselves. They've taken everything from the media, which is very little, and made decisions and giving their passive assent to this.


Jackie:  That is exactly the point, that everything they do they wind up getting the – they call it the "mandate", the people's mandate, and that's how they do it.


Alan:  That's right and the public have no idea that this now gives the government a rubber band, which can be stretched and stretched, called their decision on quality of life and what a vegetative state is.


Jackie:  And you know what? I am just totally changing the subject on us, but every single one of our listeners, we can make a difference and basically the opportunity arises almost every single conversation we have with anybody and the thought that just came to my mind. Amber called me Easter Sunday and she said happy Easter mom and I said well happy Ishtar, honey, and she said what does that mean and I began to tell her and I said go into the internet because they do the computer stuff and I said you'll find this very fascinating. We talked about the egg. You know bunnies don't lay eggs. Why do we have Easter eggs? Well, because Ishtar hatched from an egg and somewhere in her mind this is going to stay there and what else can we do? What more can we do? I shouldn't say what else, but what more can we do than at every opportunity offer an opportunity to our kindred brothers, sisters, to at least consider the truth. It's like I said last night, even though I knew when this hit mainstream the way it did, I knew that they were using it and of course you see all the hooks and what they're doing and knowing that I was doing exactly what they wanted me to do, I did it, Alan, because I could not sit and say okay well they're playing a game and I'm not going to play that game with them. You cannot sit back and not do what you can because it wasn't just Terri anyway.


Alan:  That's what Joe Public doesn't realize as they give their consent to this. This isn't about one person. This is the right of the government to decide from now on right into the future who can live and who can die by a court order.


Jackie:  And yet, while that is true, it is about one person; it is about Terri Schiavo, a woman who is being murdered--


Alan:  It's a sacrifice at Easter time.


Jackie:  …in plain sight of the entire world, Alan.


Alan:  Yes, absolutely. I mean this is, as I say, set up the same way as when they shot Kennedy. They made sure the whole world was watching. The whole world goes through the psychodrama. It has a shock effect on the person, highly emotive, highly charged with emotion and the public are being led from beginning to end through a chess game in which they don't even know they're participating because they're giving their approval.


Jackie:  See, but I knew I was participating and I still did it and Alan – it isn't that I wrestle with that, but I think about how slick they are that they get us in these places where we're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't.


Alan:  Yes I know and at the same time as everybody starts taking on the pros and cons and fighting with each other about it all from the media, as it's designed to do, as I say the most historical thing that's happened since the American Revolution just took place on the 23rd and no one knew.


Jackie:  Without a shot being fired.


Alan:  That's right and that's so typical.


Jackie:  By the suits.


Alan:  Yes, plus they have their sacrifice. They always have a sacrifice when they build a new structure and this is it, at Easter time too. It's perfect. It's a beautiful Masonic script.


Jackie:  This is a real window of opportunity for them, the whole thing, their own Masonic holidays and probably astrologically it suited for what they did.


Alan:  Yes and for the High Masons they still go by the Roman calendar where March is the beginning of their year.


Jackie:  Oh, okay. Happy New Year, guys, right?


Alan:  That's right and of course that's the death – again, there's always a death of something and there's the death of winter, the beginning of life. They've built a structure because they build forms, which are systems. That's what they mean by builders. They are builders. They've just built the new future of the Americas so quietly and easily and distracted the public while they carried out their sacrifice, which is only the first one of many to come.


Jackie:  There have been many before her. It just happened to be the one that came out.


Alan:  Yes, so this is your typical skilled Masonic ceremony and we all went through it and very few people realized it.


Jackie:  All right. Now you know what I would like to do? Well, this is a real downer, you know, what we've been talking about. I don't mean it’s a downer because anytime we are brought into understanding we actually should celebrate but this is very difficult and sounding almost hopeless, Alan, so let's talk about the other side of the face of this coin that what they envision, what is happening does not have to happen if enough people wake up to it, but it isn't just waking up to this lie. It's waking up to the religious lies that we've been told.


Alan:  It's the entire system which we call reality and normality.


Jackie:  On that other level, on the other dimension, the other frequency, you know I have a tendency to think out there when I think different levels or frequencies and I have to keep reminding myself that it is all one, but doesn't it come down to, Alan, right now it appears to me that there are almost people choosing up sides. It isn't consciously, like okay I'm on this side. It's people doing the right thing for the right reason and I think about Terri Schiavo and I think about the outpouring of love because everybody who was standing with Terri and doing whatever they could to stop this slaughter, this sacrifice, I think that there is something magnificent out of this that each and every one of these people experienced love that is unfathomable. Love of a person that they don't even know and there is something very beautiful about that and it has occurred to me that this could turn the tide when people understand that love is the power and all that there really is that is real, Alan.


Alan:  Well, the key – see, this is the strange thing because they give you all your holy books but they always leave the truths in there because they're so legalistic. They tell you the antidote to the system and they tell it to you in the New Testament, which has been refurbished a few times. However, they tell you if you have so much goods and so on, give them away. If someone is in need, help them and have the faith that when you need something someone will help you. You see that's the only antidote to their system because their system is based on a substitute for all of that, and it's called money, and that was the first trick that was ever pulled--


Jackie:  In other words, do unto others as you would have others do unto you.


Alan:  Yes. In other words, use your humanity. There is no humanity in a monied system. It can only be an elite that manages the whole con game and the rest of the people who are generally fairly poor and because it's a profit-making thing based on usury, everyone is born with a function to work at a job and job is from the Bible. Job was persecuted by his deity and that's why you get a job. If you're one of the higher-ups you get a salary, you see, but if you're are a worker (and most people are trained to be workers) you get a job; and this is all Masonic of course in its esoteric meanings and that's why the Masons have that Bible in the temples. However, the fact is, the antidote is also there if the people decided to use their humanity and say we're not going along with this system anymore.


Jackie:  And do you know what? I really believe this, that within each and every one of us there is a place that we know. I other words, even people let's say who make a decision based on, well, it doesn't seem right but after all I've got four mouths to feed. See what I'm saying? That if somebody sees that it is wrong and understands that it is wrong they don't do it. They don't take into their realm of consideration of this, well, I have to do this because otherwise how am I going to feed my family, and there's where the faith comes in that you were just talking about. You do the right thing for the right reason and doors will open but you have to just know that, Alan.


Alan: Yes, but the whole problem in a monied system, it's a dog-eat-dog from the top and the reason that we worship – and society does, they worship multimillionaires and that's what they call success. That's why it doesn't matter how they get there, as long as they get there; and this trickle-down theory is more of a bunch of pariahs on every level having to eat off the guy beneath you in this trickle-down system, and when everything goes up in price you have to shaft the guy below you to make up what you had before.


Jackie:  So in other words, okay, you shaft them.


Alan:  You shaft them. He shafts you.


Jackie:  If you didn't add something to what you're selling.


Alan:  It doesn't matter. You see, this whole system--


Jackie:  No, but I'm looking at it within that. It isn't like they consciously feel that they're shafting somebody because they have certain overhead and in order to meet the overhead they charge what they charge.


Alan:  This system is based on a fallacy and it's based on deceit by very clever people who've been taught this many thousands of years ago how to run this system and we call this system, which is completely inhumane. People do not live their lives. They run and race and worry through it. They don't live but we call this system humane and the guy who's your neighbor to your left, he might have the same medical problem as you neighbor to the right, but the guy on the left doesn't have as much money and so he get's a few pills that will probably give him an ulcer or something or make him bleed to death, but the guy on the right has more bucks so his life will be saved. We call this normal and we call this is humane society. There's nothing humane in it. There's nothing humane in this system. It's a corrupt evil system and it was from the beginning.


Jackie:  Well that comes back once to us, each and every one of us, Alan, and we can talk about the corrupt system and then the question is are we going to be part of it?


Alan:  Yes, and if you are going to be part of it--


Jackie:  Well, I don't mean forced into like okay you have to have a driver's license, but I'm talking about doing what you know in your heart – it's like people who work for Children Family Services. They go into people's homes and they steal children and they say well I was only doing my job. This is what I'm talking about, Alan.


Alan:  And those cops at Schiavo's thing that were arresting the children that were trying to take water – they were just doing their job; and when they take you in to kill you, they'll tell you the same thing. You see there's an evilness through segments of society and I don't care how it's glossed over, ultimately the individuals are well aware of what they're doing.


Jackie:  It's the human being or a human condition maybe or whatever you call it that they know human nature and they know what seduces people, but somewhere – we've got about four minutes left. I want to say something that you said a long time ago and well I liked it and maybe I liked it because I know it's true but what you say means something and we were talking about people wakening up, I mean enlightened, spiritual consciousness and I asked you one time how many do you think it will take? And you said not really very many because there aren't many of them.


Alan:  That's a fact.


Jackie:  Yes because the light into the darkness is where that shines away that evil.


Alan:  Really at the top they estimate there is only three percent who run the world.


Jackie:  And so enough of us who stand in every way that we can that we stand for right, in other words, Alan, and if it isn't right we know it because there's something in us that niggles us and we get the warning and say, no, don't do that, and then we're either going to go with that because we accept and know or we're going to say don't bother me conscience. Don't bother me because I have to do this just this one time because then I'll get that promotion.


Alan:  And if you're part of the team and you're all there in the same uniform, because a whole bunch are doing the wrong thing doesn't mean that you have to. People are making decisions all time you know and it doesn't wash, the excuse doesn't wash that it's the law or I'm only following orders. That does not wash. That does not wash at all. They know who they are and what they've done and that doesn’t go on forever. There's always a balance to the scale and when evil gets too low it must perish. It must be destroyed and it will.


Jackie:  Evil can only be destroyed by the light.


Alan:  The evil also turns on itself at a certain time.


Jackie:  Oh, that's good. Do you want to talk about that tomorrow night?


Alan:  Sure.


Jackie:  Evil turning on itself. Will you write that down?


Alan:  Yes.


Jackie:  Folks, we'll be back with you tomorrow night with Alan. We'll just pick up with this conversation where it left off.



(Transcribed by Linda)