Alan Watt on

"Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru

June 27, 2005




Jackie:  Ladies and gentlemen, good evening. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Monday and it is the 27th of June in the year 2005. This month is almost over with and I hope you had a nice weekend, folks, and I hope you're doing some gardening. I told you last week that I believed that Alan's books were on the way and I received mine and those of you who ordered Alan's book probably have received it, for those of you here in the states, and it's quite a work. Alan Watt is with us this evening and we're going to discuss some of the things that he's covered in the book. I'm only about halfway through it. I've been working out in the garden, 98 degrees today, folks, here and boy I want to tell you it's hot. When I walked out the door it felt like I was opening my oven is exactly what it felt like but anyway I find that I drift off to sleep a lot quicker at night when I'm out there. That heat can really zap your energy with the exercise and the thrill of getting it done and seeing the progress is wonderful. Anyway, I'm about halfway through the book and Alan, thanks for being here with us tonight and thank you for those books.


I received, I thought this was quite timely and maybe you won't want to address it but actually I think that throughout your book you have addressed the email that I received that came in today and its says, "amazing. It's amazing how the truth can be staring someone right in the face and they're completely unable to see it. Jesus, the way the truth and the life, stood in front of Pilate and the Pharisees and asked Jesus what is truth." Now you claim the first five books of the Bible were written by the Pharisees. Explain this.


Alan:  Yes.


Jackie:  This is to me, but we'll keep these questions in mind and maybe we'll address them. He says, "you know because you were there or because some document which is more trustworthy than the Bible declares it. Just asking. On your April 27th show with Alan Watt you mocked the Bible by claiming that the whole Exodus story was a farce, really? Then I guess the entire Bible is a farce since the same Moses, which Alan claimed is son of Ra, appeared to Jesus on the Mount of transfiguration and is referenced by Jesus more than once. Funny that Jesus would call Moses a prophet when he was the "son of Ra," so I guess that Jesus meets with fictional characters from an Old Testament which was contrived by the Pharisees. This pretty much makes the entire Bible untrustworthy. Do you actually believe what you say? It gets more and more bizarre every time I check in to hear what you have to say. It seems to me that you just make it up as you go, so what other parts of the Bible are false? Some, most, all, and you love to put "other sources" of information above the word of God, why? If the Bible is incorrect then why even talk about Jesus, especially since I heard you say on several occasions that what is written about him in the Bible is false as well. Well that's an exaggeration but with all of this said, we come full circle to my opening statement. So you, like Pilate, stand right in front of the truth and ask what is the truth. Why? Because you do not believe that the Bible is the infallible written word of God and you live by knowledge and not by faith and this, Jackie, will be your downfall."


Alan:  Well, they're entitled to their opinion for sure.


Jackie:  I know that but I thought that maybe, for example this Moses thing. She says Jesus references Moses. No, I don't know that we would say Jesus references Moses. Moses is written into the New Testament. Is there anything in here that you would be willing to discuss?


Alan:  I'll tell you, to be honest with you, people who are so brainwashed into a condition, and that's what their reality is for them, it's a condition of training you see. Now these people believe that this is the infallible word of God would be just as good if they were born in the Middle East and if they were Mohammedans or if they were born in India and they were Buddhists or Hindu, they would be faithful followers of the religion that was given to them. Of course they themselves can't see that because they cannot imagine being born anywhere else or to be anybody else than that whom they are, but they believe exactly as they've been programmed to believe.


Jackie:  The one thing that when people say the infallible word of God, then in their mind their concept of Creator is conflict, confusion, chaos--


Alan:  And superiority and elitism. You know, "we've been chosen and you haven't."


Jackie:  Right and I think about the contradictions and I know that the "law," if you would, truth, is within in our hearts. It's within our minds, even though we don't have it all recalled to our consciousness but isn't that what our purpose being here is, Alan?


Alan:  Yes and also people believe that they've been created in a long line of lineages of creations all stemming from the same source. They'd have to ask why do we have the ability to think for ourselves. Why do we have that ability and rather than being good little programmed readers of something that was supposedly written many thousands of years ago, supposedly, but really the world hadn't really heard of the actual teachings of this religion until Constantine came along and had his Christian counsel and most of his advisers were supposedly Jewish bishops from various areas of the Roman world. Basically they confabulated a whole history to justify this religion, which they were giving to the people solely to control the people. Politicians are there to control people. That's their job.


Jackie:  One of the things so far that you have done with your explanation about the actual photocopies of the old books where it's just -- even Freemasonry when they said Freemasonry -- was it Freemasonry began in Babylon? Is that what it said?


Alan:  Yes, basically.


Jackie:  And that all of the stories that are in the "infallible" word of God bible were part of the religion from ancient times.


Alan:  Oh, absolutely, just recycled over and over and you'll find the same characters doing the same things in the Hindu religion which preexisted all of that. Much, much older and they simply translated the same terms for their names into another language and so you have characters like Moses. Moses is an Egyptian word. It simply means "child."


Jackie:  Or son of, if that means child?


Alan:  Yes and Ramoses is child or son of Ra, so you just skip the Ra and you're left with the child, you see – kind of like Rothschild.


Jackie:  There was Ramses or Ramoses, Tutmoses and then we have Moses.


Alan:  Yes, and even then people get thrown off by I think deliberate misspellings of things because Tutmose is "child of Thoth" so it should really be T-H-O-T-H, you see, so the official historians give us another spelling of it which throws people off, but it's the spoken word when you’re dealing with languages and the origins of words. It's the spoken word which is important.


Jackie:  Yes, you've covered that in the book also where you called it hearing – instead of spelling it's the hearing. You hear the sameness of certain words and see that's where I've noticed that I've gotten caught up is by the spelling not the hearing of it.


Alan:  Of course we live in such an intense controlled situation called reality, where even our language has been so tampered with or even created from the beginning that "spelling" even in the dictionary is next to "spell" – to cast a spell – and that isn't a mistake. Spelling itself casts a spell over the reader and if you're not sounding the words in your mind you'll actually miss the other meanings of them. 


Jackie:  A lot of our listeners have caught this a lot quicker than I have because a lot of times when we do a broadcast together then I'll get emails from people and they see something and say look at this and they actually wind up doing what you do, is see the word within the word, the actual word, which I think that's wonderful that people – the title of this is Cutting Through, No. 3 and as I said when I looked at it, I thought cutting through the BS is what it is, Alan.


Alan:  That's right.


Jackie:  Are there any particular areas of the book that you would like to go into tonight?


Alan:  Well, it's to show people really how behind all the religions there's another religion contained within them all and that one religion is the esoteric within them all. In other words, there's only one esoteric religion, and yet, whether you're Hindu or Mohammedan or Christian or whatever, you'll find with the "mythos" as they called it, the founding of the religions and the stories told, there's actually the same story being told over and over and over. Of course that's what all high Freemasonry has always been taught even before it was called Freemasonry, you know Rosicrucianism and so on, and it does go back not only to Babylon but it was there at the beginning with Sumer. The same stories are told of their deities, which are supposedly all gods, and in those days remember a person who was superior and one of the nobility was called a god. These were very human-like gods and so the same stories were told about their foundings and how they came to be all these different gods and it's the same stories told over and over. 


Jackie:  In "Mystery Babylon Religion" which quotes heavily of course from the two Babylon's, even to the Catholic saints they had the same individuals, the same gods or goddesses, sometimes even the same names.


Alan:  In fact, if you look at the Greek version of Hermes, he was also a patron of shepherds and the Greek version of Hermes has a statue of him with a lamb over his shoulder and of course that was the same symbology that was brought into Christianity and you'll see the same statues there. Sometimes it's Jesus with the lamb over his shoulders and sometimes even St. Christopher even has that at one point, so they use the same symbols, same statues actually.


Jackie:  The symbol of Mary the mother of Jesus, they use the same symbol for her as they do Isis and they call her "the Queen of Heaven" and they actually show her, they depict her in some of them standing on like a crescent moon with the stars around her and that's the same way that Isis--


Alan:  And the moon under her feet. That's the traditional mother of all creation. They mean all the world of matter. That's what it means and of course in Luxor there are two main pillars there. One for Osiris and one for Isis and the statement inscribed in it for Isis is that "I am Isis, Queen of all, Queen of heaven, Queen of earth. Without me nothing was made." In other words, she is matter and it's from that very word matter that you get, it comes from mother.


Jackie:  What about father?


Alan:  The father again is varied because even in freemasonry since it is a male-dominated thing you'll find different terms for different types of "father" you might say.


Jackie:  Can you give an example?


Alan:  It's a degreed system and of course they gave them titles to do with power over others and some of them very ridiculous long titles, which I thought you used to only find them in the Middle East but you still find them filtering into even the court system of the West where you have "the right honorable judge" and so on. These were all titles to a god or a deity and even the worshipful master of a Masonic lodge is a worshipful master. He deserves your worship. That's what it means. They have a hierarchy of meanings for father and brother. That's why all Masons are also brothers but they also have a father.


Jackie:  I heard Joseph Biden after they got the crime bill passed. They had this big old celebration and it was on C-Span and they had the guy from Ohio. He was an old guy. I forget his name. Joseph Biden and Janet Reno up there and when Clinton came in, Joseph Biden almost genuflected and called him "your holiness."


Alan:  Oh really? Well, I'm not surprised because if you're worshipful then you're supposed to deserve worship, literally worship.


Jackie:  And the ziggurat. You've got the photocopies of the ziggurat in here and where the first step was 33 degrees, but what fascinated me was seeing Lenin's tomb and seeing that it was a takeoff on the ziggurat and the ziggurat was a religious type of a thing. It's like a pyramid, only it's stepped.


Alan:  That's right. They show the world the religion they really belong to, while the same people stir up the exoteric religions against each other. It's quite clever, while the inner players all belong to an esoteric religion, which is one worldwide, but their symbols are always thrown in your face and they love to mock the victim, which is really the population. However, they show us upfront what they belong to and everyone knows of course – in fact, Lenin's tomb was recently redecorated inside and they've got his body or his mummy back on display. There's another thing too. Why would they mummify his body?


Jackie:  No lie.


Alan:  It's in a crystal case and you'd swear that he just died five minutes ago and that's back on display and everyone knows of course that Lenin was a Jew and that's behind the head now. They have a placard up there giving his history for the first time.


Jackie:  Do the people in Russia, maybe you don't know this, as a whole do they revere Lenin or do they know what a monster he was?


Alan:  There's a lot of the population do revere him because the propaganda was so intense including their schooling right from your first day at school. You'd be taught to revere this man literally as the next thing to any god.


Jackie:  So it would be only the people who were there when Lenin was there that knew what a monster he was and they're gone today.


Alan:  They're gone. Although, even some of his compadres there, his henchmen like Trotsky, did write books at that period and went through their system or their strategy of terror, because when you take over a system you want compliance and immediate compliance to maintain your hold on the system and they have a reign of terror. They always have a reign of terror and so you saw that – actually they had that too in the British Revolution. People forget that England was the first one to have a revolution.


Jackie:  And that was when, Alan?


Alan:  They had that actually before Cromwell but he re-revolutionized it again and you'll find the same thing with the American Revolution, then the French Revolution. The French really went to town and then after that of course you had the Russian Revolution with its reign of terror, which was based more on the French model right down to population control. That was part of the French Revolution. They had maps made out before the revolution that they had to reduce the populations of the rural areas and they rounded up thousands and thousands from regions. They had the map cut up into regions and they would take the so-called excess population, peasants mainly, and put them on river barges; the ones at the coast line were put onto old ships and they fired cannon into them and sunk them because they wanted the population down. This wasn't just a haphazard spontaneous revolution.


Jackie:  So they couldn't revolt?


Alan:  Partly that, but they also had the whole agenda that we see portrayed through the League of Nations and then the United Nations with its population reduction, population management, right down to how many do we actually need for a specific task.


Jackie:  They call it "Family Planning," Alan.


Alan:  That's right and now it's societal planning.


Jackie:  You have to say it nice.


Alan:  This stuff goes right back for hundreds of years. It's part of the Mystery Religion you might call it.


Jackie:  I would like to say this to our listeners. It was told to a group of doctors I think it was back in '65 or '68 in Pittsburgh by Dr. Richard Day and you know it was interesting. Dr. Dunegan who started taking the notes and made the tape he said that Dr. Day mentioned several times that – in other words, he realized that his handlers would not be happy that he was telling all these doctors this, but there had to have been some type of hypnotic something going on. Maybe it was because they were all full from a real good dinner and had a few probably cocktails or wine, whatever, but he told them you cannot take notes and you cannot tape this and most of you aren't even going to remember most of what I'm saying tonight, but he says I wouldn't have been able to tell you this a couple of years ago but now everything is in its place and we intend to go into the 21st century with a running start and nothing can stop us now and he talks about all of this. It's all laid out and he even told how they would do it and when you read that you cannot deny it because it's happening today. Even minute little details about the clothing and how they were going to take little girls and they were going to take the nurturing inherent mothering qualities from them by getting rid of the baby dolls and then came the Barbie dolls right after that.


Alan:  They gave the dolls to the boys.


Jackie:  Yes, they did give the dolls to the boys, didn't they? All these things, Alan, that you've talked about that we've talked about, it was laid out there and he said it very plainly and what I found interesting Dr. Day was elderly but it was very soon after he admitted all this to this group of doctors that he died and they probably got pretty ticked off. Sort of like what's his name?

Alan:  Carroll Quigley.


Jackie:  Yes, Carroll Quigley. He told that he thought it was a wonderful idea and his only problem with it was that they wanted to keep it secret and he thought people should know because it was such a wonderful plan. What a nitwit. What a nitwit this man was.


Alan:  The thing is, when you look back at everything you realize that every era has been just as controlled, every era. You see, we've never had what we think of as freedom since as I say from at least the days of Sumer and now through archaeological digs they're digging up previous civilizations like the Harappan culture which also was intensely – I mean you're talking about underground heating, under-floor heating, piped water in the rooms--


Jackie:  Under-floor heating.


Alan:  Yes and piped water into rooms and you were talking 6,000 or more, 7,000 BC.


Jackie:  Who were the Harappans?


Alan:  Well, that's just it. The Sumerian culture was basically built on top of the previous civilizations that had existed there and the one prior to Sumer they're giving the name of Harappan. They like to give it a name so they can identify or at least know who they're talking about.


Jackie:  Okay. So that was before Sumer?


Alan:  Yes and the Harappan cities that they're digging up extended all the way from Egypt to China, so they had a tremendous trade market. They had a high standard of living but it boils back to the same thing. It's trade and a monetary form so that they could literally get the people using their money. Whether you weight it or count it doesn't matter. It's getting the public to give up their rights for things they want and once you do that and they introduce their money they've got you. I knew that too because it's evident when you study Sumer that they were so perfect in their managerial system of society.


Jackie:  You know what? I'm glad you brought that up and I want if you will because we have to take our break right now. When we come back, because you were reading to me once and I know that it's in your head so you don't have to read it, but the system that you were reading from, whatever it was, is exactly the system that we're living under today.


Alan:  Exactly.


Jackie:  Including the taxes and just everything. All right, we're back folks and since we're talking about Alan's third book here let's give Alan's address, if you still have your pen in your hand. I hope you do. If you want the book that we're discussing, first of all Alan recommends very emphatically that if you don't have numbers 1 and 2 you should begin there because this is the third one that he's done and really what it does is it just follows along from one to the other to the other. Do you call all of them "Cutting Through," Alan?


Alan:  I did initially then I changed I think the second one, but they're all "Cutting Through"--


Jackie:  They are cutting through the BS. Okay. [See for ordering information.] 


Alan, before we pick up the Sumer thing there's a couple of things I wanted to mention. Joe Bannister, I think most of our listeners or a lot of our listeners are probably aware of it. Joe Bannister is a former IRS agent. In fact this has been in the newspapers you know, the press and the news, the mainstream has actually picked this story up. Joe Bannister who was a former IRS agent and is now part of the "We the People" organization, that would be Bob Schultz from New York, he was indicted and charged with giving I think disinformation to his clients because he left the IRS and became a CPA and Joe Bannister actually won his trial. He was acquitted of all charges. Al Thompson and we had Al on with us one night, a business owner. He was one of Joe Bannister's clients and they each had a trial. They were both – I don't know if this was together, if they were charged together and the trials together or separately, but lets just put it this way.


Joe Bannister got off and his client from what I've read I'm sure they'll be appealing it is going to prison and I also read if I'm not mistaken, I shouldn't maybe say it because I can't take it to the bank but there was another client of Joe Bannister's who's already in prison and you know this doesn't surprise me. Just because of his association with this Bob Schultz because Bob Schultz is a Rockefeller boy and there's an article about Bob Schultz and it was actually written by Sandy Stika, a lawyer, but this woman had the goods on Bob Schultz and I had the goods on him myself from a previous interaction with him in 1993. I knew he was a phony but I didn't know he was a Rockefeller boy and I'm not surprised. When I found out that he was going to court, I thought ha, maybe I was wrong about Joe Bannister. Maybe he's just been taken in by this crew but to get off on these charges we've got Dixon Cannon from Texas sitting in prison. There are other business owners sitting in prison and Bannister gets off and folks I wanted you to know that. I want you to not be taken in by this because I suspect that this was a setup. The whole thing was planned out.


Alan:  Generally, most of these things are sting operations where they put their man out there, people fall for it then they arrest them.


Jackie:  And Bannister gets off and everybody on the internet is just celebrating to high heaven.


Alan:  "They give us our heroes" as Albert Pike said.


Jackie:  Alan, I'm going to tell you something. Sometimes the internet just makes me crazy because you get these articles and people are just ecstatic that he won this thing but they're not getting it. They don't put two and two together and see that he got off but his client didn't.


Alan:  Well, that's what happens when you make a hero. He already was a hero for coming out and now he's more of a hero for getting off with the charges. You can be a bigger hero now and con more people.


Jackie:  That's why I wanted to bring this up before I forgot it. Now can we go to Sumer? And you know the gentlemen who wrote me the letter? I don't know, he probably wouldn't want to have a conversation with you because he just wants to say how crazy I am and how crazy you are. I'd like to say this one more thing though. If he's listening tonight, if you read about the account that was written by Immanuel Velikovsky on the conflagration that occurred about the time the so-called exodus out of Egypt was supposed to have occurred you will see that. His book is titled, "Worlds in Collision" and the other one is called "Earth in Upheaval", it's a sequel, and those books unless he made up all of that, all of the ancient manuscripts that he quoted from, and I don't believe he did, and he's a Jew and he even quoted the Rabbis saying that at that time when the sun – it was dark for three days. According to his report on the other side of the earth, the sun stood still in the sky for three days but the Rabbis said that 49 out of 50 of the quote "chosen people" left Egypt. They were leaving because they were trying to find some sun. They were trying to find some food and it wasn't just they who left and so therefore that to me when you look at that and you see that they wrote that story of exodus, of course always around the chosen, well then it's our choice if we're going to --


Alan:  It's a choice. See, Velikovsky too, we've got to remember, was a Rabbinical Rabbi and the son of a Rabbinical Rabbi.


Jackie:  Well, he must have ticked them off no end.


Alan:  No. He was sent out from Communist Russia to promulgate this really.


Jackie:  But why?


Alan:  Because at that time they could not find any evidence of an ancient Israel people so his job was to try and validate the fact that there had been an ancient Israel people.


Jackie:  I see. So he wrote it into the histories.


Alan:  When you look at all of it – when they discovered the Tel el Amarna city, which was the record-keeping capital basically of Egypt when Akhenaton was in power, they found literally millions of correspondences all in baked tablets from all their satrapies or little princedoms across the entire Middle East back and forth from the leaders or the princes or whoever was put in charge of these conquered peoples. Yet nobody's history, whether it's ancient Persian or Egypt or whatever, nowhere did they mention a people called Israeli or a land called Israel.


Jackie:  It's been supposed or theorized maybe that it was the Hyksos that were there during that time that it was supposedly the chosen.


Alan:  What we do know is that from the Greek records and Tel el Amarna records that one of the peoples was called Hyksos, which today means again "shepherd kings," but it really was cattle which they drove in front of them, these wandering tribes. They were joined by another huge group from they think somewhere in the Aegean and of course this is where all the stories of Atlantis come from, that these people evacuated their land during tremendous volcanic upheavals when the land sunk beneath the water.


Jackie:  Would that have been around the time of that whole conflagration?


Alan:  Yes. In fact, the Egyptians had records of incredible tidal waves which had traveled across the Mediterranean and caused tremendous damage to neighboring shorelines and so on. Crete was flooded at the time when this huge island went down and the Peoples of the Sea came in, very well organized people, very well military equipped and they joined with the Hyksos and invaded Egypt and they took it over and ran it for about 150 years or so. They were the cruelest barbaric people according to the Egyptians that they'd ever known. They had no respect for any religion. They used terror again to subjugate the populace. They would just commandeer hundreds of people for a public spectacle and chop them to pieces and that was to keep everybody else in line.


Jackie:  That's the entertainment of the day.


Alan:  It has never changed. The same thing happened in the Russian Revolution where Lenin ordered his men according to Trotsky to go out into all the rural areas and just round up a couple of dozen in every little village, hang them from the trees and let their bodies rot and that will terrify the rest of them to comply. That's how power is maintained. It's an ancient technique and it's a science in fact which has never been lost. It's actually taught in certain places and of course we're seeing the same thing now as they go into a global civilization – I hate to use the world civilization. That's their term for their system, but we're going to the global structure and to maintain powers as governments they must have a terror within if they can't have a terror abroad.


Jackie:  Do you know the Guantanamo – no, the place where they have found that they have been torturing people – what's the name of this place?


Alan:  That's right. That's the one that's in Cuba, Guantanamo Bay.


Jackie:  Do you know that one of the – I don't which one it was of the three broadcast companies, but they actually had a poll on their internet site asking people if they agree that torture should be used for these "suspected terrorists" in order to get the truth out of them. Now how could any person believe that torture is going to get the truth because they'll admit to anything to please quite torturing me. Whatever they want them to admit to they'll admit to it.


Alan:  It's understood by the ones who run things.


Jackie:  According to this poll there were actually people who said yes.


Alan:  Of course there will be. Torture, they know themselves that they have far more sophisticated methods of extracting truth from people and painless methods too. The whole thing about torture is to terrify the public.


Jackie:  They can just give them a shot, can't they?


Alan:  They can give them a shot. They have equipment today I am sure that--


Jackie:  Isn't sodium pentothal supposed to be the – that’s old. 


Alan:  It doesn’t really. It’s called abreaction therapy and you can certainly take a person back into certain states with a form of hypnosis and a good life history of the individual but it doesn't necessarily guarantee truth.


Jackie:  I'll bet they have a truth serum today.


Alan:  See, everything that was known in the Spanish Inquisition and the European Inquisition of the Catholic Church about torture, everything that was known then is known today that, yes, people will say anything in order to have that pain relief.


Jackie:  It was like the Nuremberg trials. They tortured them and when they hung them they had a shorter rope so the people would take a long time to die. It was a terrible, terrible thing that happened during those Nuremberg trials. Okay, we've got about 10 minutes left here. Can we do Sumer?


Alan:  Yes, getting back to Sumer, there's a book, which I don't have actually, it was a library book, but it was called, "Life Begins at Sumer" and it's an easy read. I can't remember the author's name but he was quoting from tablets that were unearthed there written by scribes and every priestcraft was a specialist lawyer, so you had a priesthood that dealt solely with real estate and with the writing up of the dividing up of property and so on. You had a priesthood for every function at the top of every function.


Jackie:  In Sumer? That would be the lawyers today.


Alan:  This one young priest wrote and said "I look from the east. I look to the west. He says I cannot see the sky for government buildings."


Jackie:  In Sumer.


Alan:  5,000 BC. He said they tax everything. He said they tax the fish we bring in. They tax the goods we bring in. They tax us for living. He said when we bury our relatives they come to the graveside and of course they left offerings of food and that on the grave. He said they come and take the food for death taxes and I thought well nothing's changed.


Jackie:  Nothings changed. "Life Begins at Sumer?" I'm going to check and see if that's available.


Alan:  It's an easy read and it's a good book and they even show you the students who were being trained. They were picking young boys and training them from the age of five to be scribes and they have unearthed some of the schools and there are thousands of practice clay tablets they found where they were doing advanced trigonometry and geometry just as well as we do it today.


Jackie:  I have a newspaper article or maybe it's from the government itself. I think it is the U.S. government. They have special schools for gifted children and they bring them to Washington, D.C. and you can see that what they're doing is they’re grooming them and probably intensive brainwashing, intensive brainwashing.


There's something in the book here I must ask you about because remember when you talked about for example even the royal Khazars, red heads, and they've unearthed and you said that the Egyptian pharaohs they wore those big headdresses and stuff.


Alan:  They wore wigs.


Jackie:  Because to cover up their hair and in here, this would be on page 31, you've to this thing it's called – you'd have to pronounce it for me. Tenochtitlan. Is that it? It's a human sacrifice. It's a drawing, a depiction.


"A priest slashes open a captive's chest to tear out his living heart and they actually have drawn this. Every night, the Aztec god Huitzilopochtli was believed to do battle against the power of darkness. To give him strength, and to ensure that the sun would be reborn every morning, the priests offered mankind's most precious gift--human hearts and blood. This scene is from the Codex Magliabechiano (16th century AD).  Then you had written below it:


"Many people know of the bloody sacrifices to the Aztecs and their predecessors. It cannot be stressed enough that sun-priests had a long history of similar cultural mind control techniques across the ancient world. Much has been over thousands of years to 'clean' the historical records. We know the Egyptians used to sacrifice red-haired captives to the sun on certain high holy days."


Okay, well that confused me because it seemed that the red-headed ones were put up in those high positions.


Alan:  Yes, but don't forget too that even the Phoenician nobility used to sacrifice their own first-born, so this would probably be some of the special first-born and that's the highest sacrifice you could give.


Jackie:  Of course, like GW. I believe he was sacrificed when he was born. I mean the guy he's so pathetically stupid that you could almost feel compassion for him and that you know that he was born and bred to be where he is today to be the idiot puppet of the U.S. government.


Alan:  They did sacrifice the red-haired men in Egypt and later of course they changed it to the red heifer. The red heifer was adopted by Judaism for a sacrifice, a perfect red heifer.


Jackie:  It's a holy thing. Oh, do you know what? A friend of mine sent me a photograph, her son is a dairy farmer and she sent me a photograph of a red heifer that was born to one of his cows; and I meant to and I didn't write back to her and say what is the relevance of this. Is that what she is getting at? That it's something holy?


Alan:  Yes. In fact, they are apparently breeding stock to try to get back to the perfect red heifer so they could recommence the sacrifices on the so-called holy mount.


Jackie:  Oh my God. Then, so when somebody gets a red heifer, they celebrate that this is a wonder thing?


Alan:  Yes.


Jackie:  Oh, Alan.


Alan:  The whole thing is barbaric, but again, as I say, it's a form of brainwashing, especially children who have to watch that, because it also hardens them and steels them to suffering for even for animals.


Jackie:  They've done that with the movies and I've seen that young people can watch the most grotesque. I remember one time a movie was on and I happened to walk in the room and some guy was laying in a hospital and he was all bandaged up except one eye and they opened that eye and I saw that they were going to shove an ice pick in it and I just cringed and walked away but they were actually sitting watching it. It was when I was visiting in St. Louis and that's the kind of stuff our children watch, so Alan, they've already been--


Alan:  Desensitized.


Jackie:  Oh absolutely, absolutely.


Alan:  It's all planned that way because this sort of period we're going through has been done so many times in the past that they know exactly what type of generation they need to implement these kind of things, so they create that generation. That's why they could write into Revelations and so on that children would be against parents and parents against children and all that, man against wife.


Jackie:  I'm not to the back of the book but that's where you're addressing Revelations. Okay, would you like to come on with us again tomorrow night?


Alan:  Sure.


Jackie:  And maybe I'll be there by then and if I'm not you can just – we can talk about it but Revelations is so mightily important to people because it's like oh look at this. It's written in the book.


Alan:  By God.


Jackie:  And by God, yes, and it's going to happen, it's God's plan, and then we say oh God is love.


Alan:  Just a bit hard to figure out sometimes.


Jackie:  Well it is. It's quite insane. We're out of our hour. Thanks for being with us tonight, Alan.


Alan:  It's been a pleasure.


Jackie:  Then we'll see you tomorrow night?


Alan:  Yes.



(Transcribed by Linda)