Alan Watt on

"Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru

June 13, 2005




Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Monday. It is the 13th of June in the year 2005. Half of June is over already. We went from having I guess about 2-1/2 weeks maybe 3 weeks of 50 and 60-degree weather, when we should have been having 70s and the last, I don't know how long, week, week and a half.  I don't know long this has been going on. It's in the 90s folks and it is just absolutely outrageous. I think it's called weather modification is what it's called. Anyway, I guess that's how it is. It's not nice to fool Mother Nature, is it? I don't know if know if you remember that old commercial but that's what I keep thinking about. Our guest this evening is Alan Watt. Alan, thanks for being here once again.


Alan:  Yes. It's a pleasure.


Jackie:  Folks, Steve Jacobsen was on with us last Tuesday and Wednesday and the topic the new world religion. Alan and I had conversations later about it and he was actually filling in more information and so I asked him to come on with us tonight. I thought that it would be relevant to pick it up and let Alan take us further into this so we get a really absolutely clear look at the dangers of the people that they are soaking into their games. Their dangerous games and we were talking specifically about Benny Hinn, but there's a whole group of them, yes Alan?


Alan:  There's a lot of them, some superstars amongst them, though, and that's the key is the superstars who've been risen up there by the old unseen hands that decide to give us the shepherds that we're supposed to follow and of course Benny Hinn is only one of them. The CBC television, the two separate exposés--


Jackie:  That's the Canadian Broadcasting?


Alan:  Yes. They did two one hour specials on them and--


Jackie:  What do they call these guys?  There's a word for this.


Alan:  There's a lot of words for them.


Jackie:  I mean ones we can say on the radio. What kind of religion do they call this?


Alan:  Charismatic, which is basically hypnotic.


Jackie: You know General Ben Parton? Do you remember him? He was the guy that came out there after the Oklahoma City bombing. Ben Parton was a charismatic. He was all involved in that. A bunch of them are.


Alan:  Yes, I'm not surprised because it's a fantastic mind control formula that they've got down pat.


Jackie:  Yes, but I think Ben Parton was one of theirs.


Alan:  Oh, no doubt. That's what Albert Pike said, "We always give them their leaders," and that's for every side. They give you subdivisions, so there's a leader out there for your particular personality type.


Jackie:  You were going to go into this two-part thing that the CBC had.


Alan:  They did special on Benny Hinn and the reason they started this investigation into Benny Hinn was because there was a pastor in the U.S. who had polio when he was young, and I think he now has leg braces, but he had gone to Benny Hinn hoping to get up on stage and be cured. That's the whole trick of this thing is the curing. However, what he found out was there is a whole team of experts in the audience working for him and they pick out the ones who are allowed upon the stage and they must not have any obvious physical disabilities. If you're in a wheelchair or on crutches or whatever, you don't get up there on the stage. That way they can pick people who have lots of other problems but you can't see what it is.


Jackie:  You mean like pretend they're blind or pretend they're deaf or something like that?


Alan:  Yes, or they've got cancer or a tumor or something and a lot of them do but they've been diagnosed. However, physically you can't see anything wrong with them and of course it's strange too because Jesus is supposed to have made people rise up when he cured them; whereas Benny Hinn knocks them down. He knocks them down and of course they're all trained to fall down because there are charismatic Christians who've watched this all their lives. When he puts out his hand they all fall down like dominoes, but it's the hypnotic technique. They're already preconditioned to that technique by being brought up in charismatic churches, so when it happens to them they immediately fall down as though they were in a trance.


Jackie:  Well, there is always somebody there to catch them.


Alan:  Yes, let's hope so.


Jackie:  No, there is.


Alan:  The thing is, the CBC did a follow-up to those people who had been up on stage. Some people had AIDS, cancers and so on, and out of the ones who are still alive they were dying.


Jackie:  In other words, are you saying those, not just professionals who were there to assist him, but actually people that came up that had AIDS and stuff, they actually fell down too?


Alan:  They fall down too because as I say they're mainly charismatic Christians that have being brought up in the church and so when something happens to them, they don't go to the doctor often, or if they do go to the doctor, but they still believe the next thing to Jesus being Benny Hinn is going to cure them.


Jackie:  Do they pass out or what happens to them?


Alan:  Some pass out. Some just fall down with their eyes open and I guess they wait for their queues to get up. However, it's the follow-ups that are really important because most of them – when someone is really seriously ill the relatives will pay to no end the money to try and get them better; and Benny Hinn, of course, in his audience, they pass around 5-gallon buckets and just stuff them with money and checks and so on and he takes credit cards too. He earns over $220 million a year. That's what he brings in, his organization, so he's doing pretty well for himself. The CBC, when they challenged him, when they eventually managed to get to him, the actual camera crew, when they found him coming into a hotel they challenged him on the follow-ups that they had done on some of the people that he supposedly cured and had even written about curing in his own magazine. It was all lies because they had followed them up and found out they were dying or dead.


Jackie:  Did he respond to them?


Alan:  Well, he of course couldn't remember the names or whatever or tried to sluff it off by asking them to come back and make an appointment with him and talk to him, which he never did.  In a sense you can see in the audience, the type of audience that he attracts, that he's got a ready-made market because people actually want to see the showmanship. This tremendous Hollywood stage-managed showmanship and they want so badly to believe that he has a special power that God's given him. They are willing fools you might say. They're conditioned victims already waiting to be used by people like Benny Hinn.


Jackie:  The danger that was pointed out by Steve Jacobsen last week when he was watching is that they've got this whole on TBN. They've got this whole world prayer network or world prayer team or whatever they call it and he said they are totally promoting the world agenda. The UN and Israel et cetera, et cetera and they've got all these people praying the same prayer.


Alan:  Sure. Well, that's what sheep do. They follow the shepherd and they've all been trained since birth to be good sheep. That's what religion truly is all about, you know.


Jackie:  Okay, I know and I know that you have said this before. It occurs to me we could have new listeners and the first thought in their mind would be well that's what Jesus said that he was there for the lost sheep and the Lord is my shepherd et cetera, et cetera.  I remember you saying I don't believe he ever called anybody sheep because they're the dumbest animal there is.


Alan:  You can't get much dumber.


Jackie:  But that the staff, the crook that the "shepherd" carries, you explained that there's actually the depictions of the pharaohs.Okay, so just expand on that just a little.


Alan:  Well, from the earliest times even the statues that they uncovered in Babylon with the king in Babylon and the pharaohs of Egypt, you'll often seen them depicted holding in one hand, with their arms crossed in front of them in front of their chest, and one hand holds a small crook, which is the shepherd's crook. That's so that you can pull the sheep if they're going the wrong way, so that's the gentle hand, but it's still used to get them to go in the direction you want them to go in. Of course in the other hand, he's got the rod and that's for the sheep that are a bit more stubborn and more individualistic. He's supposed to bash that down on your head. That's what the rod and the staff are for.


Jackie:  The rod and thy staff they comfort me.


Alan:  That's a beautiful song of an abused victim because that's what it would have to be. Of course, that's what organized religion has always been about is controlling the people so that a few can benefit at the top over the expense of the majority. However, these shysters in the charismatic movement obviously are allowed to do what they're doing by "The Establishment," which is a term I always use for the real government behind the governments, and I'm sure they must give their kickbacks to their bosses above them for being allowed to scam the public this way. Because this whole system we live in is totally corrupt. Now Benny Hinn, when he was followed around by this camera crew, he took off to Europe supposedly to go on some crusade, but they followed him from one hotel to another. Now these hotels, some of the rooms cost about $5,000 or more a night per person. They were the most expensive in Europe and he would get the best rooms and they all have fancy names like Sir so-and-so or Lord so-and-so's room and he was giving $1,000 tips to people and waiters and so on in these restaurants and that's where the money is going.


Jackie:  To live a lavish lifestyle.


Alan:  Yes, given by the poor and the sick and the needy, some of them whom actually, as they showed on the CBC documentary, there was one couple in particular whose son was dying of something. I think it was leukemia or cancer of some kind. Anyway, they sold their home and given all their money to Benny Hinn and moved into a one-roomed apartment so that Benny Hinn could take the money and cure the son, and they showed you his routine on the stage with the son and when they went back a few months later the son was dead and the parents of course were totally broke.


Jackie:  I only saw him one time. I stumbled across him one night. I stumbled across TBN I guess because there was Benny Hinn and he was fascinating to watch because he was so slick. I watched maybe 15 minutes, but does he actually tell these people that the more money you give me the quicker – I mean how does he get people to give him so much money?


Alan:  It's the conditioning. As I say, they're preconditioned for these shysters by the religion itself and they're told constantly over and over that if you give you will receive, and the more you give of course the more you're supposed to receive. That only works for bankers who give out loans and it doesn't work in real life for real people. They give everything that they have believing the Lord will truly bless them and cure their offspring or whoever and somehow it will be all right like some Hollywood movie. Now one of the Masonic jokes – they're sick jokes but it's true as well, has to do with the fact that all of our language is a Masonic language. It's constructed that way and the word "spirit," which is about the only word they've really given us to describe that yearning we have inside for something beyond you, which you know is out there somewhere. Spirit is also the term used for alcohol, so when you're full of the spirit you're drunk with the spirit; and these people have been trained to be drunk with the spirit and when they're like that, they're not thinking logically. Their hands are in the air. They're going back and forth in a hypnotic movement and they're listening to these shysters who have professional lighting teams all over the theatres, professional music players, instrumentalists and so on. It's a Hollywood production par excellence.


Jackie:  You have a couple of videos and you have some excerpts. Are you going to share those with our listeners tonight?


Alan:  I could actually. I'll see if it will work.


Jackie:  You know what would be a good idea to do? Play just about four or five seconds of it and then stop it so then I can tell you if we can hear it good, okay?


Alan:  Okay.


Jackie:  But Alan, before, because he's got – oh, first of all. You had told me that he was a Jew and I mentioned that when Steve Jacobsen was on and he said no he's a Palestinian Catholic and that's what people say that he says he is.


Alan:  Well, here's the bottom line. The CBC did a documentary partly because Benny Hinn also had Canadian citizenship and on his Canadian citizenship he said that he was born in Tel-Aviv, Israel.


Jackie:  So that would make him--


Alan:  Jewish.


Jackie:  In other words, he couldn't have been a Palestinian born in Tel-Aviv?


Alan:  No. You wouldn't get a birth certificate as a citizen unless you're Jewish.


Jackie:  Yes, I read that, that the Palestinians today there can't even get their birth certificates.


Alan:  So it's up in the air as to actually what he is, but really it doesn't matter. The fact is he sits up there with the Bush's and the rest. They're all oil-men, slick as can be.


Jackie:  Okay. Let me ask you this. Can Americans have like Canadians have dual citizenship in America?


Alan:  I don't know about America, but I know for the last few years because we are going into the global society – actually, for the last maybe even 20 years, people have been allowed dual citizenship here in Canada with anywhere.


Jackie:  Anywhere?


Alan:  I don't know about the U.S. but everywhere else in Europe.


Jackie:  I know that it's okay for Israelis – in other words, the Israeli's can have citizenship in the U.S. and Israel but I don't know of any others, but I shouldn't say that so maybe it is okay in the U.S. too and I just don't know it.


Alan:  They’re always upgrading the laws but I do know as I say that Canada has been giving dual citizenships to everybody that's come in for donkey's years now from anywhere and that's part of the globalization structure.


Jackie:  Before you turn this on, tell them what they're going to be hearing so when they hear it they'll hear it because he's got that accent.


Alan:  When he starts talking quickly his accent become thicker, but the first little blurb that he does I think is about--


Jackie:  He wants gold.


Alan:  He wants gold, yes, and he said I don't want to hear about gold in heaven. He says I want it now. I want it here and now he said.  I'll see if this plays.



Benny HinnI said if you don't like them kill them. I really wish I could find them and I wish God would give me a holy ghost machine gun. I’d blow your head off. I'm sick and tired of hearing how it used to be back four years ago. I got so sick of it. I said, Lord, if I hear this one more time I'm going to throw up. I want to see it now. I'm sick and tired of hearing about streets of gold. I don't need gold in heaven. I've got to have it now.



Alan:  Did you here that?


Jackie:  Yes. And what was he talking about, a holy machine gun?


Alan:  Yes. He was talking about the people who complain about him and he said he wished he had a holy ghost machine gun so he could mow them all down. He also said, you parents – this is not in this part of it but it's on the same tape. He said, "and you parents, if you're criticizing me, you better watch your children." This is like a mafia boss talking and yet he's up there. He's one of "God's chosen."


Jackie:  Are you going to play the rest of it?


Alan:  I'll play the same part again and then let you hear the rest. There's only a couple of other blurbs, then you hear his wife at the end who's a real sweetheart you know. She probably weighs three times as much as he does.


Jackie:  You said she looks like a dominatrix or something?


Alan:  Well, she could do as a Sherman tank as she stomps up and down that stage there with the microphone in her hand giving her spiel. This is the thing again where he's talking about the holy ghost and the machine gun.



Benny HinnI said if you don't like them kill them. I really wish I could find them and I wish God would give me a holy ghost machine gun. I’d blow your head off. I'm sick and tired of hearing how it used to be back four years ago. I got so sick of it. I said, Lord, if I hear this one more time I'm going to throw up. I want to see it now. I'm sick and tired of hearing about streets of gold. I don't need gold in heaven. I've got to have it now. I've got to have it here. You say, well, maybe isn't that wonderful to have gold, streets of gold; well of course, but if I hear the thing one more time of how it will be and how it was, I'm going to kick somebody.


Mrs. Hinn: [inaudible] You know what you need? You need a holy ghost enema right up your rear end."



Alan:  There you go, so that's show business for you.


Jackie:  A holy ghost enema up your rear end, and the people go for this.


Alan:  Oh, they go wild over it. It's all superb stagemanship when he comes on with his white suit, very expensive, and people won't go to see anybody who wore rags because they're trained that to be successful then God has blessed you, so you don't want to go to a poor person. You want to go and see a rich person and so he has the $5,000 or $10,000 suits.


Jackie:  In other words, if you're poor then you've done something wrong?


Alan:  That's it. God hasn't blessed you, you see. That's the Judaic element that's crept into Christianity.


Jackie:  Yes, because Jesus said not to store up your treasure here on earth.


Alan:  He had this gold jewelry from his wrists and all this kind of thing, which must mean he's very, very blessed and I guess he is in that sense.


Jackie:  And they're doing this all over the world?


Alan:  They tour all over the world and as I say the CBC did work out what his finances were for the year, according to statements he made in his own magazines, and they said it came to $220 million income that one year alone.


Jackie:  And that's from people donating.


Alan:  Mainly from the people again who have been brought up to truly believe this and they're losing someone through disease and they give everything that they have. These characters are basically psychopaths.


Jackie:  I understand that Brother Stair isn't on WWCR anymore.


Alan:  I don't know. I think he's still on the air somewhere.


Jackie:  Oh, okay. Then I can't say anything because I was going to say something. I thought he was off.


Alan:  He might be off that station but I do know he's somewhere.


Jackie:  Well, you know that one clip that Steven played last week, Benny Hinn was talking about the TBN that miracles were going to happen and that people would actually be resurrected from the dead and that they would wheel their – and he says not just my program but all the TBN programming, and people would wheel their dead loved ones in in their coffins. They would leave the coffin in front of the television with TBN on four 24 hours and then they would take the hand of their loved one, place it on this television and their loved one would rise from the dead. Then Paul [Prouch] and whoever else he was talking to, you could hear them going "amen. Praise God. Praise the Lord" all this stuff. But he says not so much in the U.S. it wasn't going to happen. He actually said that. He said that all over the world this would be happening and I looked up when I went into that world prayer team, Bill Bright, I know he's a big one and he's a member of the Council for National Policy; but it says here with his the Campus Crusade for Christ, it says he has more than 16,000 full-time staff and 101,000 trained volunteers in 161 countries.


Alan:  I can believe it. There's no end to the power that they have. It's understandable since religion is a technique. It's a science and it's well understood and it has been here for thousands and thousands of years and these guys know how to use it. It's all based on formula and the only precondition you really need is to brainwash at least one generation into the belief of it, and then it's an open field there. That's an open market for the shysters.


Jackie:  And the military is now promoting it.


Alan:  That makes sense because they're both armies in a way. They both use similar techniques where you lose your individuality and you're told to be part of the church or the army or the group. That's what you're trained to do, to lose your actual distinct personality and follow orders of course.


Jackie:  Alan, it comes down to this when you think about it. They preach that in the end times it's going to be a holy war. In fact, George Bush has called this a holy war, this never-ending war in the Middle East against Islam and Christianity. You think about it, if these young people going into the military are getting this type of religion crammed into them, they'll go fight just because in their minds and hearts they'll believe that they're fighting a holy war for Christ.


Alan:  It was done on the Crusades. It was the same techniques.


Jackie:  My, my. We're ready to take our half break.


Alan:  Hello Jackie? I think we're back on the air. Well, this is Alan here and what I'll do in the meantime, if Jackie isn't there, is I'll advertise my three books I'm selling here which go through freemasonry and religion. I give you a lot of the origins of both and the third one I've just finished I go through a lot of the esoteric meanings of Christianity and Revelations as I don't think it's been done before, at least not publicly, and I also go into the banking system in ancient times and how through banking they took over the world. If you want any one of these books [see for ordering information] and I'll get them out as soon as I can to you. Thank you very much.


Jackie:  Thanks Alan. I had printed out a thing. Well, I thought I did, but before the broadcast and then when I went over to get it I found out in that storm when I shut off the surge protector I had shut off the printer too. Is there more that you want to say about this?


Alan:  The charismatic movements?


Jackie:  Yes.


Alan:  Well, it's really fairly simple. They have conditioned many, many people into the charismatic movement. Lots were brought up in it. You can actually trace it all the way back to ancient Egypt because you'll see many depictions of the followers of Aton the sun god with their arms up in the air and of course it's the same thing there. They move from left to right as though they were in a breeze and the high priests would talk over the crowds in a hypnotic manner. The technique is ancient and techniques are not lost. They're simply carried from one place to the next and these characters are taught from childhood, like Benny Hinn, how to use these techniques in hypnotizing the public and fleecing the sheep – and it's all perfectly legal, technically. It's maybe immoral, but technically it's very legal and so they get away with it.


Jackie:  I realized this from talking to people how difficult it is for people to separate the old from the new, if you would, testament and the God of the Old Testament and if you used the word Jehovah they say well that's not the right name, the right name is Yahweh and you know that's the breath, Yah-ha-weh or something like that; and then the people who have been taken in by this Israel identity. Now there are some who will not call it Israel or Christian identity anymore. They just call it something like another kind of Christianity – I forget what they call it, a certain kind of Christianity, but it's Israel identity and it's part of this whole game. That there are some of our listeners who are awakening to this, don't you think?


Alan:  There's actually quite a lot of people out there who, through one way or another or experiences with these organizations, have started to question and it's a big thing for them because they've been brought up you might say in Plato's Cave where they relate their whole life and everything in it to Plato's Cave, which is their church, and they don't know the tools in fact to use to totally escape it. Their whole life experience of who they are all boils down to this idea of the relationship with Jesus, or, more correctly, with the organizational church that they're involved in and that's the big thing.


Jackie:  And it's very difficult and it's very hurtful. Of course, the ones as you said, because I've talked to some of our listeners who in the beginning even those sending donations say well we don't agree with your religious beliefs but we hear your heart and we love your spirit. You know, that type of thing, but then people began saying you know what? I was wondering about this. Why did God want all those wars? Or, why this, why that?  But actually what they say is they were afraid to even question, Alan.


Alan:  That's right because the churches have always been used by the state. It doesn't matter if it was ancient Rome or today, the churches were used by the state as part of their political process; and whether they like it or not, organization religion is being used by the state for a political agenda. Not for individual salvation at all but for a definite preplanned political strategy.


Jackie:  Right from the get-go with Christianity in 325 AD with Constantine?


Alan:  Yes and Constantine again was the front man anyway that was put up by the bankers of his time to help get this religion established since they've figured out it was a winner. That's when they gave a lot of the creed, the dogma out that didn't exist prior to that meeting and they also basically got rid of and destroyed other dogma or material which didn't mesh with it. They chose very carefully the parts they wanted to leave for the public consumption, but they destroyed an awful lot of other writings. For instance, the early church and the Catholic Church did admit this in the late 20th century, they did admit early Christianity wasn't just one sect. There were many different groups just like today with differing ideas on certain parts of it and many of them believed in reincarnation, which is a standard belief in Judaism. They don't show that in the movies of Moses and things, but that's standard Judaism.


Jackie:  Are Jews taught that?


Alan:  Yes. That's standard Talmudic.


Jackie:  Well, that goes back to the Eastern religions too.


Alan:  Yes, so they took that out. Actually, the second council that they had they took that out and so for over 1,500 years that part which had been a vital part of the earlier churches was simply removed from it. The reason it was removed was because if individuals who are being oppressed by the state believe in reincarnation, then they might just risk coming back a second time as an underdog by rebellion against the state; whereas if you believed you only had one lifetime and you had to be good or you went to hell, that was far more up the state's alley you might say; and so that's why they took it out. However, Constantine himself belonged to the cult of Mithra and even two weeks before he had his famous Council of Nicaea, he'd been elevated into the high ranks of Mithraism, which is a part of the Mystery Religion. He belonged to a few other sects as well and after he made – he didn't make Christianity the main church of Rome. He simply elevated it up into the ranks of the ones that were already accepted. After Nicaea he had a temple built, like all the Roman emperors did, he had a temple built to himself where worshippers could go while he was still alive and worship his likeness in the temple, his statue. That's the great Christian Constantine. There's so much fable told about the man and yet there's so much history available if you want to seek it out.


Jackie:  And I have read but I have never seen anything and I think you said that this could be found in the Vatican Archives in their own website, that in 520 I believe it is AD that was under Justinian that that was when they went through and took out all the references in the writings.


Alan:  That's right and Justinian himself was a pagan.


Jackie:  Now what is a pagan?


Alan:  Meaning basically he believed in the laws of nature and philosophy.


Jackie:  Does that mean that they don't believe in a creator?


Alan:  No, they didn't go that far. It's very similar in a sense to Judaism, in that they knew that no one could describe a creator, a godhead. It was too far removed from the simple mind of man.


Jackie:  But in other words, they did believe in a creator?


Alan:  Yes.


Jackie:  So the laws of nature would be the laws of Creator?


Alan:  In other words, the only way you could find your way to the Creator was by understanding the laws of nature and observing them.


Jackie:  Okay. What are the laws of nature?


Alan:  Well, again, this is really the same mystery religion that's behind all religions. It's a cause and effect. They explained it in a thousand parables.


Jackie:  Well, Jesus said as you sow so shall you reap.


Alan:  That's the same thing.


Jackie:  That's cause and effect.


Alan:  That's right and it's the same kind of dogma.


Jackie:  That's dogma?


Alan:  It was actually given to the pagans by the philosophers.


Jackie:  So you think Jesus never said that then?


Alan:  No, it's very possible he did because it's true too – what it means really is it's more to do with the negative forces you unleash tend to come back on you one way or another.


Jackie:  Yes and what about the positive?


Alan:  The positive, again, it's supposed to be like freely given. That's the difference. The positive is supposed to be freely given. It's like giving a gift. You don't expect something in return. 


Jackie:  It's not that you expect it. You don't give it expecting to get something back, but it is true that for every action there is a reaction and "as above, so below," then what goes out returns energy. I don't know how else to say it because I don't know that I have a full concept of it, but that's how I see it.


Alan:  It's not "as above, so below."  "As above, so below" is the mystery religion Judaic and Masonic terminology because the whole part of Revelations is a plan. It's time plan if you understand what Revelations means and that's what they mean. They wrote their plan in the heavens. It wasn't a god that wrote it in the heavens, because if you look at constellations you'd be very hard pressed to say that's definitely a goat, that's Capricorn and there's Gemini. You'd have to really stretch your imagination to try, but this was written many thousands of years ago. The Great Work as they call it. They wrote it. Their ancient priests wrote it in the heavens. It's a time plan with a final conclusion for the part of this plan and of course that's for the Age of Aquarius. They have everybody saying on the middle level "as above, so below." What it really means is the plan above at the right times now implemented here on earth below. That's what they mean by that. However, cause and effect are different things and sure enough, we can simply look at science in itself because through science, which really is another word for nature (the workings of nature), understanding of sciences of nature, you can then start to manipulate nature and alter it. Of course in this mystery religion comes the banks and everything else and the religions. They plan to alter that which was left imperfect, which they claim is man himself; and that's behind every Masonic group, every theosophical group and every other group that calls itself part of a mystery religion. It's all the same religion, but man himself eventually is to be altered except for the high priests meaning the elite those who--


Jackie:  Man is to be altered?You don't think man has been altered?


Alan:  We've been engineered to an extent but they mean the final. This is to do with the grand plan or the Great Work or the Great Design or the Grand Design as they call it. It's to do with the alteration of man himself and into the perfect being. However, they're talking from the elites' point of view, and by that, they mean all of the underdogs to be made into the perfect slaves where you will not simply procreate the old fashioned way. You'll be sterile and to get another one of you they'll simply clone you as a worker bee. That's what they mean by that and the symbol of the beehive and the perfect society has been with them since the days of actually the Minoans had it 5,000 BC. Their symbol of the perfect society that they want to create has been the beehive and that's something that they found in the islands the Minoans used in the Aegean Sea 5,000 BC and from there went to Egypt. It became a very popular symbol of the perfect society and of course in a beehive you have the queen who's attended by these priests. These priest bees and then the rest of them are all workers. That's their perfect society. If there's too many workers, they take off or are killed off and everything is attended to by the priests. The priests even determine which ones will be workers and which ones will become priests by the type of food they alter. They change the food to suite the type.


Jackie:  Well, they're really doing that now.


Alan:  Yes they are.


Jackie:  With all the genetic modified food. The body, in order to survive, the physical body, it just seems it would have to be being altered to be able to continue to exist with all of the food that's being altered.


Alan:  I think prior to the 1950's the death rate from what are now common cancers were pretty well spaced out and far and between and every year we hear about it's now going to be one in four who’s going to get cancer. Now it's one in three. Now it's down to one in two. In other words, everybody is going to end up with cancer and within 50 years we think this is some sort of natural way. No, this is all through the modification of the food, the vaccinations we're being given – which I think were designed to destroy the immune system in the very first place and we know that the Simian-40 virus definitely was in the Salk vaccine and polio vaccines. It's only function is to create tumors.


Jackie:  I'm talking their plan to control this world including the food that we eat. The air that we breathe. The water that we drink et cetera. Every aspect of our lives. In this section where I mention food I added information on the hormones because I had quoted from what's his name, Charles Galton Darwin (Darwin's grandson) from his book that – Alan had sent me pages of that book "The Next Million Years" and he talks about the hormones in there and how they can change the physical body by the use of artificial hormones. I actually quoted that and yet I wasn’t quite sure what the heck he meant by it, except the part in there about the different kinds of foods and the master will not eat the same kinds of foods that the subject is subjected to.


Well, then finding out about the xenoestrogens and they call it today estrogen dominance syndrome and I found reports on it and I added that to that section. But it's right there. It's all right there, Alan. And the thing that I didn't understand except I got Dr. John Ree's book and he told – what I didn't understand is that progesterone is sort of like a master – he didn't call it that. In other words, in the body there's a whole bunch of different hormones. It isn't just estrogen, progesterone and testosterone in that without the hormones being balanced the body cannot produce the hormones necessary that function the entire body. And that's what he said. I know he said it 50 years ago and then one of the reports I found was from Canada and they were talking about that in Canada – I think they said 37 percent of women by the time they're 50 years old will have had--


Alan:  A hysterectomy.


Jackie:  The hysterectomies and that it's higher than any other country in Europe, Canada is and it's second only to the U.S. and it talks about all of the things that are happening to women. Breast cancer, cervical, uterine et cetera because of the artificial – my God, there's 60,000 sources of xenoestrogens. It's even in air sprays – aerosol sprays.


Alan:  And soaps and shampoos.


Jackie:  Shampoos, everything. That's what I said. We breathe it and bathe in it and sleep in it and eat it and drink it--


Alan:  And drink their water from the plastic bottles.


Jackie:  Yes it's amazing.


Alan:  It's part of the agenda because if you truly understand the mysteries, you'll find that in the future they plan they wouldn't need women.


Jackie:  Because they're going to have hermaphrodites?


Alan:  That's basically it. Hermaphrodite beings. Something which they can then take from and reproduce a perfect copy. In other words, very much like a clone, but they don't want the female species. You know the ancient high priests, we've got to understand--


Jackie:  Is that in your first or second book about the hermaphrodites?


Alan:  The first one I think. That's within all their teachings if you understand them, the need eventually to eliminate the female from the species. Even Albert Pike talks about the binary code meaning one is male and zero is female. Zero is perfectly useless he said. You see, so they give you all these little clues.


Jackie:  So will the man this hermaphrodite it will be masculine feminine. It will be a perfect balance with the masculine feminine qualities even?


Alan:  It won't have the feminine qualities so much. It won't have the emotional qualities because they look on emotion as chaos. In fact that's the term when they mean Order out of Chaos. They're actually talking about emotion.


Jackie:  And without that, a person would be pretty dead, wouldn't they?


Alan:  You'd be Mr. Spock.


Jackie:  And without emotion, then you would not feel love and anybody who cannot love is walking dead.


Alan:  Yes and you'll allow anything to happen if it seems logical. It can be anti-human but it will seem logical. In other words, if they say there's simply too many people, let's destroy a few million here, and no one will cry a tear over it.


Jackie:  They're doing it today, aren't they?


Alan:  They are.


Jackie:  Well, they are. We're almost out of our hour here. Alan, thanks.


Alan:  It's been a pleasure as always.



(Transcribed by Linda)