August 3rd, 2005
Alan Watt on
"Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru

 

 

Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty.  It is Wednesday, and it is the 3rd of August, in the year 2005.  And I am glad to be back with you this evening.  And I want to thank Alan Watt for going it alone last night.  And Alan is with us, this evening.  Iíve got information that Iíve been wanting to share with you.  Folks, I havenít been able to.  I have a new printer on the way.  And so, perhaps next week we might give Alan a bit of a break, and Iíll be sharing with you some information Iíve kind of been storing up, and I havenít been able to do it, because I havenít been able to get it out of my printer.  So, anyway, I got to thinking.  Itís so easy to label my tapes today, because basically it says, Alan Watt.  But the difficult thing to do is to put on that label a topic, because Alan and I have a tendency to let it flow, and let it go the way it goes.

 

"Fear of the will of God is one of the strangest beliefs the human mind has ever made."  I donít know that any of us, we each have our own, if you would, limited concept of Creator.  And it certainly, for me, it is a limited concept.  But there is one thing that I am very clear, is that Creator, the energy, the force, that we are of, is benevolent, and I do know that.  And to me, the most beautiful proof if you would, of that, is the law, the universal law, of for every action there is a reaction.  What we sow we are allowed to reap.  So there isnít punishment being meted out by some gray-haired long-bearded guy sitting up on a cloud someplace pointing his finger and saying you ticked me off.  But the fact that we are allowed to reap what we sow.  To me that is a beautiful perfect justice.  And my experience has been, when Iím able to let go, when Iím able to get out of my own way, and let it unfold without my feeling like I have to know the outcome, etc, etc.  Those are to me, awesome, like miracles happen.  And I see that as the love with which the universe or creation took place.  Alan, thanks for being here tonight. 

 

Alan Watt: Itís a pleasure. 

 

Jackie: I guess, you know, if people buy into the Old Testament Jehovah God, it would be very difficult not to have "fear of God". 

 

Alan: Well, thatís just it.  Religion has always been used, orthodox religion has always been used to make the public obedient really to the system.  And of course the system exhibited terror to the public, with public hangings and executions and in Britain of course, we had disembowelment and hanging, drawing, and quartering as they called it.  And these were laid on to strike fear into the public to make them obey.  And when they knew that the system was basically complete, all around them, the only thing they could turn to was spiritual comfort, and of course, thatís why the authorized churches have always been in cahoots with the ruling government.  And thatís how itís always operated.  So one gave you the physical terror, and the threat of physical terror, while the other one told you how to escape basically in your mind by staying on your knees, you know.  And thatís a form of control.  Gorbachev in one of his books mentions the fact that he himself is an atheist, but he says, we are creating a religion based on earth worship for the people.  Because religion has always been essential to governments.  So these guys understand the function of religion.  They understand, as well, I am sure, the techniques of creating religions, new ones, with their political purposes in mind.  And Iím sure this knowledge must be really ancient, because they know exactly what format, what sequence to use, just like mathematics, and the public behave accordingly.  So, yeah, thatís right from Gorbachev himself, and I think his book was called, Towards a New Civilization, so you can see it for yourself.  So thereís an admitted atheist helping to create a religion for the public to follow.  And this earth-based religion, of course, is hand in glove with the political agenda, where the public will have no rights on the earthís surface.  Theyíll have to do what theyíre told.  Theyíll be organized by officials in every capacity.  And this is the new civilization that heís referring to in his book.  And so you can see why earth worship would be the ideal religion to push right now, for the type of society they envisage for the near future.  And so, not only will we be breaking a taboo by ignoring the government decrees, youíd also be breaking the religious taboos.  And youíll find that the majority of the public will have no sympathy for the people who break that type of rule.

 

Jackie: Give me an example of what youíre saying here, breaking a taboo of the Earth worship.

 

Alan: Well, you can see it all around.  The United Nations has no intention of allowing people for much longer to live on the land.  Theyíve done their best to put the farmers out, beginning in the 1940s.  Thatís when they started to hand out grants to farmers.  That was the bait.  Then the government had a foot in the door and a say in what happened on the farm.  And itís gone on since then.  And farmers have been losing everything, as other countries are set up to do the farming for the whole world.  In Marxism, which is only the left hand you might say of the capitalism, or the same bird, in the Communist ideology the state would be in control of all land and there would be no private property.  Of course, in the Soviet System, the bureaucrats got the big dachas in the country, and they were flown in there to spend their holidays and so on in privacy with their servants.  And Joe Blow was given a trip to the crowded Baltic holiday resorts for the people.  This is the type of future they envisage for the people on planet earth, basically.  Every area will have its function.  China is the manufacturer.  The CFR put out books in the 1930s that China would be the sole manufacturer for the world, which itís become in the last ten, fifteen years.  And so nothing happens by chance, nothing evolves by itself, everything is planned way ahead, like a business plan.  In fact the whole world is nothing but one big business plan, and itís run by think tanks.

 

Jackie: Yeah, and the governments are all corporations. 

 

Alan: And, of course, Professor Carroll Quigley, who also was the historian for the CFR.  I donít think people realize that he was the official historian for a few years.  He had access to the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the CFRís records, and he gave a parallel view of history, the real force behind history, beginning around the time of the establishment of the British East India Company, and the United Kingdom as they called it, around the 1600s.  And he said that this group has been behind everything thatís happened in the world.  Theyíve planned wars in advance to change civilization.  He says war is created to change society.  You can get more social change, meaning more governmental control in minute areas of life in five years of war than you can in fifty years of peace.  And of course, weíve noticed that after every war, your society has changed more and more, till more power is in government hands.  And now we see the corporate merger, as Carroll Quigley said.  He said, the future will be a society where the new feudal overlords will be corporate business leaders in conjunction with governments.  So, he laid it all on the line.  He gave the history of the wars, what was behind it, the forces that manipulated the wars to get us to where we are, to get people to give up their sovereignty.  And he laid out the road map that he simply copied from the CFRís records.  And this is real.  Itís all happening.

 

Jackie: And then he died, yes?

 

Alan: And then he died after disclosing some stuff on audio tapes to some of his students.  He thought it was going to be kept private, but he let too much out of the bag, you know.  The main plates were destroyed by MacMillan and Company, so that they couldnít publish other books, but some people have managed to bypass that and copy those books.  Tragedy and Hope is the book.

 

Jackie: Well, itís twenty-five years the copyright runs out.  So that would be when they would be able to do it.  When was that book done?  Do you recall?

 

Alan: I think it was in the 60s that he put that out, the late 60s, but MacMillan bought it over, as soon as the first publication came out, and then they destroyed the plates, because this stuff was not supposed to be allowed out to the public.  Carroll Quigley believed in that system, thatís why he was one of their men, but he also thought that the public would accept the fact that the new way was a managed way, where there was no individual rights and freedoms.

 

Jackie: He had to have been a real drone, I mean, to have believed in it so intensely and fervently, that he believed that the general public would accept this and say, oh, this is wonderful.  There had to be something wrong with the man.  Are you there?  Seems that weíve lost Alan Watt, folks.  Either that or heís talking and I canít here him. Probably, what I should do, if Nicholas happens to be, wait a minute, I might have some music.  No, I canít.  There we go.  Thank you, Nicholas.  Iím going to go off the air, folks.  Hello?

 

Caller: Yes, Iíd like to ask Alan a question.

 

Jackie: Hold on, honey.  We have to get him back on the line.  Iím going to go off air for a minute. 

 

Folks, weíre back on the air.  And I want to thank Nicholas.  Nicholas, thank you so much for being there and stepping in, and holding this place open while we got Alan back on the line.  Alan, are you with me?

 

Alan: I think so. 

 

Jackie: Oh, good.  So, you, we just got disconnected, period. 

 

Alan: I know, and every time I called, it kept saying all lines are busy, try again.

 

Jackie: All circuits are busy?

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: Well, then, I guess we must be on a topic that isnít their favorite subject.

 

Alan: Itís very probably so, yeah.  It spoils the illusion that the media keeps giving us.  And we donít talk about sports, you know.

 

Jackie: No, we donít talk about sports, do we?  So, Iíd like, I donít remember exactly.  We were talking about Carroll Quigley and that, oh, you had said that you know, after he had evidently done a speech leaked to some of his students, and it was on a....

 

Alan: It was a private talk in a restaurant.  And one of his students recorded him, you know.  And in it, he actually cautioned them.  He talked about Freemasonry.  And he talked about the dollar bill, the pyramid and so on.  He says, this is very old, he says, 6,000 years old, this symbol.  And then he said, but donít talk to anybody about this, it will spoil, it will cut short your career.  Thatís what he told them on the tape.  And I have the tape.

 

Jackie: Alan, is there a way that you could get a copy made of that tape so we could play it for our listeners?

 

Alan: Sure, yeah.

 

Jackie: Oh, my Gosh, that would be wonderful.  Alright. 

 

Alan: And he was the official historian and he really spilled the beans by using their records.  He had the records there at Pratt House, I think they call it in New York.  And thatís where the records were kept.  And interestingly enough, the man who introduced him to the record-keeping department for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the CFR, now this is the same organization, was a guy called Zimmerman.  And Zimmerman was the guy who belonged to the British Communist Party, who was Winston Churchillís main advisor during World War II. Itís the weirdest setup, and of course, most books will tell you that Winston Churchill hated Communism with a passion.  And yet, someone told him to take Zimmerman on as his main advisor.  So, Zimmerman was in the record-keeping department for the Royal Institute and CFR, and he gave the job over eventually to Carroll Quigley.  So, itís from the horseís mouth.

 

Jackie: Carroll Quigley was from England?

 

Alan: Oh, no.  He was American.  And he taught at Georgetown University.  He was the guy who put Bill Clintonís name forward for the Rhodes Scholarship.  Of course, the Rhodes Foundation is to create international leaders from all countries to go back home and push the same agenda for world government.  Thatís why it was set up by Rhodes and Rothschild.  Thatís all documented stuff.  In fact, even Quigley goes into that in some detail. 

 

Jackie: In his book or on his tape?

 

Alan: In the book.  Because Cecil Rhodes, he was basically taught in Oxford University.  And he had a mentor as well at the University who was pushing for World Government.  And then, of course, he and Rothschild and a few other ones got together with that other big diamond company, De Beers, part of the Boer family, B-O-E-R, also were members of that round table they set up.  And their goal was to take over the wealth and the riches of the world.  That was their strategy, and Cecil was sent off to South Africa where he fomented wars, supposedly by attacking South Africa, having South Africa retaliate.  And then Cecil says, well, British subjects are being attacked outside of South Africa.  And then Britain sent in the troops.† So that started the Boer War.  That was all planned way in advance.  And theyíve done this all over the planet.

 

Jackie: Alan, we have a caller on the line, and if we can go back to this, the Boer War.  Letís see what his question is.  Go ahead, caller. 

 

Caller: Yes, last night I was listening to Alan, and he was talking about the Etruscans and their ability to call down fire upon their enemies.  And I would like to know, how in the world did an advanced civilization like that ever become defeated by the Romans if they had such an ability to do such a thing?

 

Jackie: Alan, Alan Watt, did you hear that question?

 

Alan: How were they conquered by the Romans? 

 

Jackie: He said, yeah, if they had the ability to call down fire on their enemies, how could they have been conquered by the Romans.

 

Alan: Because the ones who had the knowledge...

 

Jackie: Whoa, wait, whoa.  Heís going to get off the line so he can hear.

 

Caller: I want to hear the answer, but I have to get off the phone, okay?

 

Jackie: Right.  Bye, Alan.  Bye.  Our callerís name is Alan.  He wanted to get off the line so he could hear your answer.

 

Alan: Well, itís no different from today.  A small elite keep the power and the knowledge and they can call themselves anything, depending on which country they live in.  And when they move out of that country, and perhaps become part of the Roman nobility, they donít care what happens to the rest of the ordinary Etruscans, if you understand what Iím saying.

 

Jackie: In other words, the leaders of the Etruscans were the same leaders of the Romans.

 

Alan: Thatís correct.  In fact, the Etruscans gave their name to the present day area of Tuscany, and many of their tombs have been unearthed, and these are amazing tombs, similar to the Egyptian style in many ways.  And they had vast amounts of wealth.  These were the elite families, not the ordinary Etruscans.  And really, Rome itself, we know that the elite that ran the Grecian lands moved into Rome, and they became the Roman nobility.  And right towards the end of Rome, the nobility, the higher nobility of Rome still spoke Greek amongst themselves.  So, you get confused with nationalities, and this is the con game thatís played on all of us.  These people who understand tribal psychology use it all the time.  Thatís why they give us tribal emblems and we react automatically when the flags go up and the trumpets sound the right tunes and so on.  So, but you must remember that the elite in all ages have been internationalists, and wherever they happen to live at that period of time.

 

Jackie: Well, guess what.  It sounds to me like Alan and I have just been disconnected again, folks.  And I guess weíre going to try it again.  Nicholas, if you would play some music, Iíll disconnect and see if Alan can get back with us.  Donít know whatís going on.  Weíll be back folks.  Thanks, Nicholas.

 

Have I got you Alan?

 

Alan: I think so.

 

Jackie: Okay, folks.  Nicholas, thank you again.  This is crazy.  Alan did get back with me, and then I tried to dial into the station and I got a circuit busy message.  But then, when I tried again we were able to get back with you.  This, I donít know whatís so special about tonight, Alan. 

 

Alan: Well, I think weíre just getting the heat turned up, thatís all. 

 

Jackie: Getting the heat turned up because weíve covered some very sensitive topics on this broadcast.  Okay, well, you were, okay, what I was hearing you say, and I was thinking about this and putting it into my memory banks for future, is that all down through the ages, the leaders of nations have been the elite, and they are never of the bloodline of the people of the countries that theyíre ruling.

 

Alan: Thatís right. 

 

Jackie: Or tribes or whatever, even before countries were countries.

 

Alan: In fact, they established countries.

 

Jackie: Yes, they established the borders.  The bounds.

 

Alan: And of course, they take many covers.  If theyíre born there the public will think they are one of us and theyíve given the appropriate name of the country you live in.  Theyíll adopt all kinds of religions, the main religion of the country.  Itís irrelevant to them.  And they are the dominant minority.

 

Jackie: And then change the religion, though.

 

Alan: They change as they go along, and itís just like changing uniforms or coats to them.

 

Jackie: Yes, now weíre at our break time.

 

And Alan Watt is with us, of course.  And weíve been disconnected a couple of times tonight.  Before we go further, Alan, why donít you give them your address, let them know how they can get your books, and then I have a question I want to ask you about this religion thing.

 

Alan: Okay.  I have three books, dealing with the history of where we have been and where we are, where weíre going. 

 

Jackie: Where they would like us to go.

 

Alan: Well, theyíre actually doing it.  Theyíre getting us from this field to the next field you might say.  [Ordering information on transcript.]† I go into it in detail.  I show you the Masonic links to it.  I show you the early, what would be called Masonic links, far earlier than the guilds were created in the Middle Ages, which is the usual cover they give this whole movement.  And I go back into ancient times to show you that they had the similar movements on the go when Rome and Greece was at the height of their power.  And I show you how the money was introduced into countries, first in the way of gold, which they measured and weighed, and silver.  Silver was more plentiful, actually.  And around 800BC, they actually started minting the first coins, which kind of throws out the story of the Old Testament, where I think it was Abraham paid for so many shekels for a tomb for his wife.  It couldnít have happened, unless it happened around 800BC, because thatís when the first minted coins came out.  Before that, they simply cut strips from a bracelet you wound around your arm like a wire, and they weighed it on the spot.  And the international money traders who were also the international merchants would go from country to country and first get the public used to accepting their wares through trade for other goods, and then they started to introduce their money in and say, well, we wonít accept anything except money.  And once those countries accepted their money, they naturally took over the system, which they had just installed.

 

Jackie: Iím back, Alan.  And I have been for a while.  I didnít want to interrupt. You know, we had Roger, Monday, on with us.  I should call Roger.  Havenít talked with him in ages, but he explained to us the situation here in the US, in America, very early on, where they forced the rural people into coinage, by taxing them and they didnít have anything to pay the taxes with, because it had to be paid with their particular coinage.

 

Alan: Thatís right.† Iíve actually spoken to people whose fathers had to get jobs, regular jobs, rather than barter and trade or do work for goods.  And they had to go out and get regular jobs just to earn the money to pay the taxes.  So they were covering their bases by forcing everybody into their system.

 

Jackie: Now, what about that section, I wonder, of the Constitution, that says no state can accept anything other than gold or silver coins as legal tender in payment of debt.

 

Alan: No.  In fact, Iíve got a book by Webster, which was written in the 1800s, and I believe in there he even goes through a lot of the various agreements that had been arrived at by the states towards the federal government.  And part of the exchange for joining the federation of the US was for each state to give up so much of its land in payment of that fee.  And thatís in Websterís own speeches.

 

Jackie: But what does that have to do with the fact that itís still in the Constitution that no state can accept?

 

Alan: Well, it just shows you that politicians are liars, and it doesnít matter what they write down, they do something different.

 

Jackie: Yeah.  Right, exactly. 

 

Alan: You see, thatís as simple as that.

 

Jackie: Because if anybody tried to enforce that, well, thatís a whole other subject.

 

Alan: And whoís going to try that, you know.

 

Jackie: Well, whatís his name, Tupper Saussy.  Remember we talked about that.  And I do understand now, because, see, that was when I got ticked off at you one of the times I got ticked off at you.  Because I had read his book, Miracle on Main Street, and thatís exactly what he was promoting in the book.  And evidently there were some people in certain towns and maybe one particularly, but they were literally handing in the IOUs, and saying as soon as thereís legal tender, Iíll pay the taxes, Iíll pay this fine, Iíll pay this license fee, and accept this as my promissory note.  And then Tupper Saussy went to prison.  And I thought that was a great idea.  See, the one thing that you made very clear, but I didnít get it at the time, is that gold, they control the gold, as you said.  You know.  I remember saying, well, itís better than nothing isnít it?  And you said, no, because you cannot get out of the system by using their system.

 

Alan: Thatís right.  Itís a total system.  And the reason itís total is because itís such an ancient plan.  Itís worked on throughout every generation.  Itís intergenerational.  And they have thousands of think tanks, dealing with thousands of their problems.  And they come up with the solutions of how to get everybody under their thumb, in their system, and obeying their system.

 

Jackie: You know, I have a thought though, that some of these types of things, like what Tupper Saussy was promoting, maybe those have been the little holdbacks, or the things that have kept at least, I donít know, in other words, Alan, they have been working on this plan for millennia, and it looks today like theyíre very, very, very close, although you said theyíve been very close before, and itís just never happened. 

 

Alan: Well, they do get to a stage, every so many thousands, you see, this is thousands of years old.  And, as I say, even the rabbis admit that this part of the plan, this stage of the plan came down as they call it, about 4,600 or 4,500 BC. 

 

Jackie: This stage that weíre in right now. 

 

Alan: Yes.  And so it was tried before.

 

Jackie: But what happened?  Did they say what happened?

 

Alan: Itís in lots of literature, which is all Aramaic primarily; thereís some Greek literature on it. Thereís a lot of literature from India, thatís got much more ancient, extensive histories.  They claim that we have gone through these major disasters as they call it, often brought about by man himself, meaning the elite, of course, who, just when theyíre ready to declare themselves gods to the public, something steps in and knocks them down.  But along with that, the tradition is that you must have enough people who are totally aware of the situation, of the history of the whole agenda, and who also know that we cannot go through what weíre going through and want to bring the same system back.

 

Jackie: Oh, yeah.  Like "Take America Back".

 

Alan: Whatever comes out of this will not be the way it was.  And how can it be the way it was, when youíre already a slave?  Why would you want to go back into a slave system?

 

Jackie: Exactly.  Why would we want to go back?  We talked a little bit earlier today, and I know I mentioned this to you.  For our listeners, Iíll say it again.  You get, like I got an email today.  And it was this America First, Take Back America and all this.  And it was some Doctor, and I just wrote to him, and I said, actually, thereís nothing to take back, because it never was ours in the first place.  And I remember the statement that was attributed to Woodrow Wilson, when he was President.  And he said that the Constitution was based on the Hebrew Parliament.  Whatís the Hebrew Parliament, Alan, if it isnít the Sanhedrin?

 

Alan: Well, it must be a big secret, I guess.

 

Jackie: Well, maybe thatís the Sanhedrin.

 

Alan: Well, itís more than even the Sanhedrin.  Itís another organization that doesnít even mean that itís even Hebrew.  These characters are very good at using names to cast the guilt from themselves to other people.  All the time they do this.  And of course, thereís no such thing as a Jewish Parliament, really.  The Sanhedrin was more of....

 

Jackie: No, they specifically said Hebrew, and this was in a book that was written in 1944 by this guy named Fink, titled America and Israel.  And he was the one that quoted, and maybe he just misquoted Wilson?

 

Alan: Itís very possible, because even in the supposed, which I donít think existed, the Hebrew Society, there was no parliament as such.

 

Jackie: Yeah.  Well, thatís why when I read that, the Hebrew Parliament, I was thinking of the Talmudic Sanhedrin.  Thatís the thought that came into my mind.  But, it is, and it isnít easy, and yet for us to yearn for what was in the past, Alan, what weíre yearning for is the dream that we were in. 

 

Alan: Thatís right.

 

Jackie: About what we were told, this wonderful country, America, the Land of the Free, the Home of the Brave, and...

 

Alan: And John Wayne.

 

Jackie: Yeah, John Wayne.  Oh, yeah.  And our "sacred founders."  When we discover that behind the scenes stuff, then we have to give it up, and just understand.  I mean, we can each in our own mind have a vision, if you would, of what this world would be like, if, letís say it were created by our creator.  But it will unfold, somehow or the other, but there is nothing to go back to. 

 

Alan: No.  That was what Lenin talked about quite a lot.  And he studied under the best bankers on the planet, so he knew his stuff.  And he said that there are a thousand directions that societies can go, thousands of different ways of living, but the public must not be made to realize this.  They must think that the one theyíre born into is the only natural evolution there could possibly be.  And thatís the whole trick to this.  Youíre born into it.  Your parents donít know.  Theyíve swallowed the world as it was presented to them. 

 

Jackie: Grandparents donít know.  Great-grandparents donít know.

 

Alan: And you swallow the world as itís been presented to you, and yet youíre terrified of losing that system because itís the only one you know.  Itís the only one you know.

 

Jackie: Maybe thatís where that phase comes in, as I was talking about at the beginning of the broadcast.  That the true, the real, real, reality of creation is love.  It is benevolent.  And maybe thereís something to be said literally for getting out of the way, as I was talking about then, getting out of the way, and wanting only Creatorís Will be done.  Because there is only one will.  You know, ultimately, and that would be Creatorís Will, but we get in the way of that, Alan. 

 

Alan: It is true enough, you see, people who have been raised to believe in a certain deity and a certain way of living, and rules and regulations, and laws, have never thought about how they would be if they were born into a society where that particular deity didnít exist.  In other words, how would you behave if you hadnít been given all that religion?  How would you be?  How would society be?  And of course, those who are terrified of any kind of change, will say, well, it would be horrific, you see.

 

Jackie: Right.  It would be horrific. 

 

Alan: So those people love Socialism.  They love the idea that experts are taking care of them, or at least they think that they are, and theyíre comfortable in it.  And those people are the dead.  And of course, in the mystery religion, which has always been with us, that was the real meaning when Jesus said let the dead bury their dead.  They are not alive.  When they die itís as though they had never existed, because they change nothing in their life.

 

Jackie: Well, they never lived. 

 

Alan: And so, born again, literally meant that you literally had an astounding experience, where you saw everything as it really, really was.  Thatís what born again meant.  You saw it all.  You relearned how the world was, the meanings behind everything youíd taken for granted, and you saw the reasons for it being indoctrinated into you.  And thatís what born again used to mean.  Today it means a happy high that you suddenly get in religion.  And you go off every Sunday and wave your arms about, and go into a sort of trancic stupor of happiness.  And so you get your fix every Sunday.  Thatís been a recent manipulation, that whole movement.  Because, as I say, at one time, born again literally meant, your eyes were totally opened, and you had to relearn everything all over again. 

 

Jackie: In other words, the statement thatís attributed to Jesus in the New Testament, that he said, "Seek ye the truth. Ye shall know the truth and the truth will make you free."

 

Alan: And thatís the key to it, because if you had to seek the truth in his day, it tells you the same system was operating back then.

 

Jackie: Of course, of course.  And, you know, when we get into conversations like this, I wish it was Monday, or I wish we had three hours.  Because this is taking us in a place that, I think is so.  There was a question that I wanted to ask you.  And I think it is along the same lines that weíre talking.  The ancient, okay, in The Golden Bough, when you read The Golden Bough, you see, you know, I had in my own mind, in my own o-pin-ion, if you would, or vision, or picture of, oh, those pagans.  They had open sex in fields, and it was just nothing but a sexual orgy.  Well, you realize that these people were so natural, and they, I donít believe that they worshiped the earth, but they knew that that was their life source.  But they had all these gods.  You know, brother sun, and mother moon, and father this, and mother sea and all that.  Well, my question that I have in my mind, was this given to them by some priesthood, or were they just being natural?

 

Alan: I think they were probably being more natural, because we view things entirely differently when weíre indoctrinated with scientific explanations for things.  So, some of the things that are perfectly natural in human nature, which creates mystery. Mystery is an essential part of human nature.  Mystery goes hand and hand with comfort and belonging.  And when you see a hilltop, it might be magical to you, because you have a tremendous, wonderful feeling there.  And so that is perfectly, perfectly natural.  It doesnít mean that you end up worshiping the mountain.  It simply means that for you, thatís a magical place.

 

Jackie: Well, remember when we were talking, I donít know how many broadcasts ago, about the hermaphrodites and about women, today, who have given up, literally, the most precious function that the female has in this world.  Number one itís nurturing, but the procreation.  You know, it takes the male seed, but right now as we are, and they knew it then, that it was the woman who kept the clans going, who procreated.  And women were revered for that.

 

Alan: Thatís right.  Mind you, you can do an awful lot in a good society without any lawyers you see.  Itís the lawyers and the business and the system that creates the strife, as they manipulate the system for their own ends.  But thereís no doubt that women are the main target really, because they understand male and female.  They understand both psychologies, and they target so much of the New Age Philosophy that Gorbachev was talking about, about creating and bringing to the main religion of the world.  They understand the female is more in tune with flowers, plants, and so on, through her natural nature.  And theyíre manipulating that for their own ends, against the best wishes of the people.  So they know how to do that with the woman.  And with the guy at the moment, I mean....

 

Jackie: But what theyíve done with the woman is masculinized her, Alan. 

 

Alan: Thatís what Carl Jung said.  He said, itís all over, he said, when the female loses her eros.  And he said that in the í50s, when he watched American women emulate the males in their dress, in the way that they walked to try to match their strides, and then try to copy their body language, then of course they started to talk like men, as well.  And they knew darn well that man does not want to marry a competitor, you see.  And thatís what they created.  Naturally, thatís why no marriages pretty well, on the whole anyway, work anymore.  You donít marry to get into competition with somebody.  You marry somebody for their difference.

 

Jackie: Well, you know, okay.  Hereís a thought.  I want to get this in before this broadcast is over, because, you know, when you read Paul, in the Old Testament, women are to be seen and not heard, and etc.  And the male is the godhead of the home and etc.  But in marriage, a true marriage, even though the male has the superior strength, the female has nurturing, and as you said, the understanding of herbs and flowers, etc.  In a true relationship, on an emotional or mental level, wouldnít it be that there would be a partnership, so to speak?

 

Alan: It should be, but one of the male specialties is survival capabilities.  And to have survival capabilities, his instincts will take over, and the woman must follow. 

 

Jackie: Yeah, well, if it comes down to survival. 

 

Alan: But the government has overpassed the male by giving us media stars to follow, like Dr. Phil and so on.

 

Jackie: Then youíre saying that women donít have that survival instinct.

 

Alan: Not the same.  No.

 

Jackie: Not the same.

 

Alan: Not the same.  Women will go for security and thatís why they go for....

 

Jackie: God, weíre out of time, oh jeez, weíre out of this hour.  Oh, Alan.  Alright, ladies and gentlemen, weíll be back with you Monday.  And I donít know.  Maybe we would.  I donít know, if we could pick this conversation up again, but I would like to consider it.  Alan, thank you.

 

Alan: Itís a pleasure.

 

Jackie: This was lovely, tonight.  Thank you.  Good Night, ladies and gentlemen.