Alan Watt on

"Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru

April 6, 2005




Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Wednesday the 6th of April in the year 2005 and I hope you're day was as lovely as our day was here today. It was 80 degrees here, just unreal. Alan Watt is with us tonight.


Let me begin with our spiritual message and we'll bring Alan up. This we did last night from John 18 verse 37 when Pilate asked Jesus, "Are you a king? Jesus said, "You say that I'm a king. To this end was I born and for this cause came I into the world that I should bear witness unto the truth. Everyone that is of the truth hears my voice.


It's pretty clear to me. Hello Alan Watt.


Alan:  Hello.


Jackie:  Thank you for being here tonight.


Alan:  Yes, it's a pleasure.


Jackie:  Yes, it's a pleasure.


Alan:  It's pouring rain here.


Jackie:  Oh my gosh, Alan. It's 80 degrees. I had every window in the house open and I went out and I spread a couple of bales of hay in the chicken's yard. It was muddy out there and I got all the hay off my perennials and got leaves out of the flower gardens and stuff. It was beautiful. It's just so exciting.


Alan:  Well, it's the spring, eh?


Jackie:  It is and it's amazing what a nice day can do for our energy level, isn't it?


Alan:  Yes.


Jackie:  Well gosh, Alan, you know we have to have these times, for me, the information, that stuff that we have learned and the lies that we have been told and that darkness that is in this world, it is so nice to have the break like this sometimes, isn't it?


Alan:  It is.


Jackie:  It's good for what ails you. It's good for the soul.


Alan:  Yes. Unfortunately though, I watched them spraying all day yesterday until they turned the whole sky into just polymer mush and they're going after it big time.


Jackie:  Today was sunny here. The skies were blue and the clouds were white and puffy.


Alan:  That's the real thing.


Jackie:  Oh it is. This has been a rare day. Yes, it's lovely. I've been printing out some stuff. You had mentioned this and I had gotten some information on it, Alan. These are the Top-Off they're calling it and I got this right from the U.S. government's website, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Top Officials Three Exercise. Okay, that's what they're calling it, "Top Off Three".  Top Officials Three Exercise, whatever that means, is a congressionally mandated exercise designed to strengthen the nation's capacity to prevent, prepare for, respond to and recover from large scale terrorist attacks involving weapons of mass destruction. Then it goes on and of course as we've talked about and I mentioned it last night to our listeners. It isn't just here in the U.S. It's in Canada. It's in the UK and the two states that are involved are New Jersey and Connecticut and they're underway between the fourth and the eighth of this month.


Alan:  I hear too that they also had some British and some French aircraft and so on and military personnel over here, so it's international.


Jackie:  That's what I said, Canada and the UK.


Alan:  It's quite something but I did hear there is going Eskimo rebellion and that's probably what it's all about.


Jackie:  Yeah, an Eskimo rebellion.


Alan:  We set up communist Russia. We set up and financed communist China. We gave China – well, we didn't give it, but the boys that run us gave China all the industry, so who on earth is there anyway that's going to do all of this chaos?


Jackie:  All we have to do is look at the Trading With the Enemy Act here in the U.S. and we see that according to the U.S. government incorporated that we the people in America are the enemy.


Alan:  Yes, that's right. That makes sense. Because that's what the Soviets did. The Soviets really had no or the Bolsheviks had no real enemies once they had their borders and to contain people, and Lenin said it, to contain people and make them obedient you must have a reign of terror within and of course that's when they started looking within for terrorists. The same thing in the French Revolution until it go so carried away in the French Revolution that if you looked at someone the wrong way you were a terrorist and had your head lopped off, but this is the same thing. For them to maintain complete control in a global society under one government, they have to create this so-called terrorism within. You know the Goldstein of 1984. Who was Goldstein? Goldstein leads the terrorists. Where are they? They're everywhere and that's what they have to do. This is an old science and they're simply using the same techniques again and eventually they'll convince a lot of the general public after they've introduced the psychological testing that they're potential terrorists and they didn't know it. And the people will thank them for protecting them.


Jackie:  Like they tell young children today that they're homosexuals and I recall this so clearly. It was on the news and they did this testing in school and a 14-year old boy, they told him he was homosexual and when they asked him how he felt about it, he said I don't know because I didn't know I was. But possibly that boy believed them, Alan.


Alan:  Lots of them are doing it because they're being told – I mean you wouldn't believe how indoctrinated in sexuality we are prior to even puberty by adults with agendas and they tell them that if you haven't tried this there might be something wrong with you.


Jackie:  Then we have the President's New Freedom Commission here. New freedom, don't you love that?


Alan:  Oh, it's wonderful.


Jackie:  And that's the commission that is going to do the screening across the nation – mental health screening and we know just like Winston Smith. We're mentally ill if we think for ourselves.


Alan:  It's thought crime. 


Jackie:  It's dog training?


Alan:  It's thought crime.


Jackie:  Oh, thought crime.


Alan:  And of course Winston when he was picked up and taken to the Ministry of Love, same thing. That's where they torture you. He met his next-door neighbor and his neighbor said, "don't come near me Winston" (of course he was a prisoner too). He said, "don't come near me Winston. I've just found out that I'm a thought criminal." He said, "I didn't know it myself but my daughter spotted it. Thank God she caught me in time before I did anything."  And that's what it will come to here.


Jackie:  Yes it is.


Alan:  And people will thank them.


Jackie:  For telling them that they're mentally ill?


Alan:  Yes. You have these subconscious aggressions against different things and you might act on them and so we've caught you in time and here's the medical regime and here's the pills that you take and here's the office you check into every week for analysis. That will become the norm, only for a while until we get the brain chip out there, which they have. At the Loyola University Meeting that your tax money paid for, the geneticists and the biotech engineers who were there from all over the world said that they have this partial protoplasmic chip all ready to go and it will be inserted in to the brain and it will interface with your cerebral cortex. Basically, everyone will be hooked up to regional computers and you won't be able to imagine yourself as an individual anymore. It will be more like the beehive. In other words, it will be like the Borg in Star Trek. However, they're selling the idea, and they said that at that meeting, that all novels, cartoons, and movies will incorporate this in their story lines to make it a thing that the public will want; and sure enough, there's whole bunch of movies just been released to do with brain chips and applications and how wonderful it can be. That's how you program the public to accept things.


Jackie:  I would like you to say again what you said about the chip because that can slide by somebody. This chip that actually blends with your own tissue, yes?


Alan:  That's right. Your body will not reject it because it's made of some type of protoplasm which is the same as the human type and it was invented in Japan. Some of your listeners may remember maybe 10 years ago when I think it was Sony Corporation announced that they had created a form of computer composed primarily of protoplasmic brain type cells and silicon chips interfaced, they all work together, so this has been tried and tested. They have it all ready to go at the Loyola University meeting they said – and Newt Gingrich was there. He led off the meeting but they said all they have to do now is convince the public of the need to take it and of course they're going to use this fear of terrorism to advance it.


Jackie:  Yes. While you're talking I'm going through my Homeland Security file because I've got that report, the CFR Phase III Report on National Homeland Security, and Alan, they said something in this. I couldn't believe it and it was towards the last of it, just exactly what you're talking about. I couldn't believe that they actually – well, you go ahead because I think I'm pretty close to where it is and this report by the way was done in what was it, Alan, 1998, 1999 and let me see. Oh, excuse me, the final draft came on the 31st of January 2001 but that was Phase III of it. This thing started sometime in 1998 or 1999 and then of course right after 9/11 out it came and then we got our Department of Homeland Security.


Alan:  This was also planned way in advance and even in Canada here the most senior civil servant in Ottawa who helped draft up the negotiation books for the Free Trade Negotiations, which were the precursors of the NAFTA, she came out afterwards and told the public they're merging the entire continent starting in 2005 and that's exactly what they're doing.


Jackie:  All of this has been going on while the mainstream media pushed Terri Schiavo. Here is a wrap-up if I could on their 14 points. They're just very short, all of them. We arrived at these 14 conclusions. Now listen to this. Listen to this. I know I'm away from the mike. Listen to their conclusion.


"1. The United States will become increasingly vulnerable to hostile attacks on the American homeland and U.S. military superiority will not entirely protect us.

2. Rapid advances in information and biotechnology will create new vulnerabilities for U.S. security.

3. New technologies will divide the world as well as draw it together.

4. The national security of all advanced states will be increasingly effective by the vulnerabilities of the evolving global economic infrastructure.

5.  Energy supplies will continue to have major strategic significance.

6. All borders will be more porous. Some will bend and some will break.

7. The sovereignty of states will come under pressure but will endure as the main principle of international political organization.

8. The fragmentation and failure of some states will occur with destabilizing effects on entire regions.

9. Foreign crisis will be replete with atrocities and the deliberate terror rising of civilian populations."


Isn't that what we're doing over in Iraq today?


Alan:  Oh, I'd say so.


Jackie:  "Space will become a critical and competitive military environment." (And listen to this). "The essence of war will not change. U.S. intelligence will face more challenging adversaries and even excellent intelligence will not prevent all surprises."


So they warn us right up front that no matter how many of your liberties and freedoms that we take away, you're not safe, folks.


Alan:  That's right.


Jackie:  Well anyway. Oh here. "The United States will be called upon frequently to intervene militarily in time of uncertain alliances and with the prospect of fewer forward deployed forces."  (And then here's another one).  "The emerging security environment in the next quarter century will require different U.S. military and other national capabilities." 


Here, listen to this. This is what I was looking for, I think.


            "The commissions stressed on communicating the scale and pace of change has been borne out by extraordinary developments in science and technology in just the 18-month period since the Phase I Report appeared. The mapping of the humane genome was completed. A functioning quantum computing device was invented. Organic and inorganic material was mated at the molecular level for the first time."


Isn't that what we're talking about, Alan?


Alan:  Yes.


Jackie:  "Basic mechanisms of the aging process have been understood at the genetic level. Anyone of these developments would have qualified as a breakthrough of the decade a quarter century ago but they all happened within the past year and a half."


Alan:  Yes, what a joke.


Jackie:  And there's just a couple of more here. It says: "This suggests the possible advent of period of change the scale of which will often astound us. The key factor driving change in America's national security environment over the next 25 years will be the acceleration of scientific discovery and its technological applications and the uneven human social and psychological capacity to harness them. Synergistic developments in information, technology, material science, biotechnology and nanotechnology will almost certainly transport (listen to this) transform human tools more dramatically and rapidly than any time in human history. While it is easy to underestimate the social implications of change on such a scale the need for human intellectual and social adaptation imposes limits to the pace of change. These limits are healthy for they allow and encourage the application (listen to this) of the human moral sense two choices of major import. We will surely have our hands full with such choices over the next quarter century. In that time we may witness the development of a capacity to guide or control evolution (listen, let me do that again).  In that time, we may witness the development of a capacity to guide or control evolution by manipulating human DNA and the ability to join organic and inorganic material formed prospects are both sobering and contentious."


Wait, I missed a sentence. "The ability to join organic and inorganic material formed suggests that humans may evolve literally with their own machines. Such prospects are both sobering and contentious."


Alan:  These inventions were made long ago.


Jackie: I want our listeners to know that this report – this Phase III Report, I'm pretty sure it is. They said it, to merge human and organic and inorganic.


Alan:  That basically is the chip too. In other words, they're talking about the cyborg as well. Part human, part machine and of course I don't know if you noticed that movie they put out again, "Artificial Intelligence."


Jackie:  That was sad.


Alan: It also is to leave the person with the subconscious question of what is human anyway. In other words, if a robot can adopt human qualities can we therefore classify them as the new humans; and before you know it, our minds have been made up for us primarily through all the fiction that we've watched.


Jackie:  And not only that, but there will be possibly a compassion for these creatures that are being created.


Alan:  Oh yes and the whole law industry for civil rights and all that.


Jackie:  Oh yes. Well remember was it the "Millennium Man," was that it, with Robin Williams?


Alan:  That's right. See they've already given us a scenario.


Jackie:  Tell our listeners about that.


Alan:  Yes, well that's the same idea that the guy starts off as a superior type robot and goes through his long, long life and eventually wants to become human because he's adopted all these qualities and then he goes to court to demand they have the same rights.


Jackie:  And it was the world court and it was a three-man panel. Remember that?


Alan:  Yes, so all of this drama is predictive programming. That's what they call it and our conclusions are given to us primarily through fiction in advance of the actual events so that we react to these events the same way as the characters in the movie. We accept it in other words and that's the Tavistock method. It's an old method.


Jackie:  But they have such a slick way of presenting it, because if you recall when he was up there before the court to get his certificate of what, humanity – what was he trying to get?


Alan:  To be a human being and a citizen.


Jackie:  Yes and he was a total cyborg or whatever you call it, but then one of the judges says well I have an artificial heart and my father had an artificial gizzard or whatever, and basically you sat there and listened to that and you thought, yeah, sure.


Alan:  That's how they program you.


Jackie:  Exactly. Well I could see it though. That's one of the beauties of actually knowing. That chapter out of that book that I read to our listeners the last few nights, it's exactly what it talked about is knowing about the darkness. Knowing the darkness because other than that, how are you going to shed light into it, Alan?


Alan:  That's right.


Jackie:  And you've been very much of a blessing for all of us to open our eyes, open our minds. It's not been easy at times. You know that, don't you?


Alan:  Yes.


Jackie:  Because there was that spell that I went through for I don't know how long where I thought I was in some other place and there was nothing that I looked at that looked real to me and it was such a confusing place to be, Alan, but somehow we settle in with that, don't we?


Alan:  Yes, that's right.


Jackie:  Sort of like an initiation.


Alan:  Most people actually float through their lives through all the changes in almost a dreamlike state – just like they floated through the transfer of all industry to China. Most people sort of vaguely remember something about that but they're not quite sure, even though everything is made in China and it never dawned on them why was it a mandate for American and Canadian business to be moved to China? I mean this is coming from the top. They float through their lives and the changes and they accept that. Plato talked about this whole scenario 2,400 years ago and of course they were part of the Mystery Religion of his day and they talked about the perfect state, which was a prototype of the perfect world state, where they would create – the guardian class, that's the elite who run the whole show, would have this lesser elite of "technocrats" you might call them.


Jackie:  Those would be the minions?


Alan:  The technocrats would be the high bureaucrats and the scientists combined, and then they have the people below them that do all the work and they would breed these people just like they bred hybrid animals for specific tasks. They would mate them up with specific women, and for tall guys that would pick apples for instance and the small squat guys who would do mining, and they said this is the perfect society and the majority of the people in Plato's "Republic" were not called people. They were called ITS.


Jackie:  ITS?


Alan:  Yes, you're either a human being or you're an IT.


Jackie:  Only you were a human being if you were part of the elite?


Alan:  Yes and everyone else was an IT, and of course that's another way of using aristocracy and nobility and the commoners. The commoners are the ITS, you see, so nothing has changed.


Jackie:  Maybe we're mankind and they're ITS.


Alan:  Well, they're not an IT. They are an infection that shouldn't be here. They are THE infection. They are the deviants, a deviant species.


Jackie:  When we say "they," are we talking about the royal Khazars?


Alan:  It's all royalty across the planet in all countries. You'll find that the Japanese ones have connection with the British ones and so on going way, way back for thousands of years before even the Khazars.


Jackie:  And their ancestors had red hair probably?


Alan:  Some of them certainly did, we know that, even the ones going into China with some of the mummies of these red-haired people. Of course, this all stems really from what they called the Aryan race that came into India and also had links with Iran and other parts of the Middle East.


Jackie:  Okay. I don't understand this Aryan race thing. We're going to take a 60 second break here. Well, that took 10 minutes but we don't do that often, have all these long commercials, and besides that, they're worthwhile, aren't they, Alan?


Alan:  You know the people eventually won't need to use shortwave because they'll have the chip in their head and they'll have music playing all the time, elevator music.


Jackie: Or rap.


Alan:  Well, it will be rap for the military because they've got to be aggressive. For the public it will be elevator music.


Jackie:  I remember you saying that you saw a news thing when they were sending a shipload of America boys, young men, women, girls over to Iraq and they had war paint on their faces.


Alan:  The guys had their shirts off and some of them had baggy pants on.


Jackie:  And doing and rap music and dancing and you said that the thought that came into your mind was they're sending the barbarians over there.


Alan:  Yes, we're sending the barbarians into one of the oldest civilizations in the world and this barbarian generation was deliberately created to do just this.


Jackie:  Generation X.


Alan:  They were dumbed down, given video games to kill, kill, kill. The state gave them whatever values they desired and their boss is their paymaster and they've got the most primitive form of music ever devised – scientifically devised and it works very well.


Jackie:  The primitive music, the piercing of the body in all places, it takes us right back to the jungle to primitive man.


Alan:  You always get that appearing when you have a generation for warfare. The pirates too, when they were big, they also pierced themselves and put rings and so on.


Jackie:  More than just their ears?


Alan:  Yes, and of course the pirates were all Masons anyway because that was the symbol of their flag.


Jackie:  Well, wait a minute now. You're not talking about all of them onboard ship, but you're talking about the pirate captains, yes?


Alan:  You also had them with the mates right down to the long-term crew. Eventually they'd join it as well. In fact if you ever see Gilbert & Sullivan's movie "The Pirates of Penzance," or the stage play or whatever, written in the late 1800's, you'll actually see a sort of mock ceremony onboard the pirate ship of the Masonic initiation.


Jackie:  "The Pirates of Penzance"? Would you spell that?


Alan:  It’s P-E-N-Z-A-N-C-E, I think it is. That's just at the course of Cornwall in England. That was one of their big bases, but you'll see the apprentice sailor with his shirt open, his breast exposed, one of his trouser legs rolled up and torn and I think wearing one shoe and so he's all ready for the initiation. Then they lay him on the Skull & Bones flag and they pulled him up three times, so that's him now a Master Mason you see.


Jackie:  Just waiting for the wool to be pulled over his eyes?


Alan:  Yes, and of course Gilbert & Sullivan were high Masons. We see these things all the time but the public don't know what they're really looking at and it's no different from the movies they churn out today. They're always mocking the public and programming them at the same time. Again, going back to Plato, he said, "we have the ability (meaning the aristocracy) since we give the people their culture; culture does not come from the bottom up. It comes from the top down."  And he said, "We can change the culture and all the values in one generation and the people involved who lived through it won't even notice the change."


Jackie:  Alan, this thought came to me while we were on the air one night. The biodiversity treaty treats humankind, mankind as organisms. In other words, we are no different than above or below. All organisms are the same including the lowest amoeba, and you were talking about this, how they culture us, and then it occurred to me in the pictures that I get in my mind that the world is their Petri dish. We are the organisms that are being cultured.


Alan:  When the Phoenicians went into new lands they had a whole routine that they went through to entice the public down to the beach where they'll lay out presents and then go back into their boats and watch. They studied the public of a new nation, a new people and they watched their tribal habits and they called it "customs," and that's why you have customs ports at every port nowadays and that's what they did. By understanding the cultures you can interfere and take over the people and the Phoenicians ended up enslaving most of the little villages they took over and turned them into almost semi-automatic production facilities for different items.


Jackie:  Like they are today.


Alan:  Yes. This is an ancient technique and they had their international bankers went with them even as long ago as 2,500 BC.


Jackie:  What were they using for "money" back then?


Alan:  In the beginning they used gold and silver powder and they weighed it and ingots too. It was all done by weights. In fact in Sumer around 5,000 BC you had the standard weights which we still use today. What they were doing at that time was wherever they went to new countries, they introduced their money system where none had existed before because people bartered when they were free. Then they set up a branch office, a bank, introduced their gold and eventually it became of course coin and then told them to put their coin in the bank and they gave them clay facsimiles, just like paper money.


Jackie:  That was back in that era?


Alan:  Yes and once they done that they shipped the gold and silver back out of the country to the major religious temples in the Middle East and those were the banks.


Jackie:  I've become real intrigued with the question about gold, gold more than silver. I got some information mailed to me by one of our listeners quite a while ago and it told about the use of gold for many – well, I shouldn't have even brought it up because I cannot recall, but it went far beyond using gold as "money" or a means of exchange or riches or wealth, but there's something to gold that's very important to them.


Alan:  I know. There's a whole bunch of stuff out there put out by Gardner from one of the Masonic institutions in England. I mean I'm telling you the people on the internet who phone me swallow everything that's out there.


Jackie:  Okay. Well, I'm not saying I swallowed it but maybe this is the same thing you're talking about. But what are you talking about?


Alan:  The gold was simply – these guys had been into mining very early on. I've no doubt they learned it from long before Sumer, they had to of, and they had a monopoly on their mines and so they got metals that were fairly rare, had monopolies on them and forced that on the countries round about and overseas. As they were doing that, they were creating an international standard of weights and measures and a value system.


Jackie:  But what made them valuable?


Alan:  Because they forced it on as a means of exchange instead of having real goods to exchange with others. It's a method of control.


Jackie:  In other words, they could have chosen anything. They could have chosen nickel?


Alan:  I don't think they should have chosen anything at all. I think they should have left it.


Jackie:  I didn't say they should. I said they could have.


Alan:  You see this is what it is. Nature should have been left the way it was. That's the key to it.


Jackie:  I understand that. All I'm saying is why they chose gold.


Alan:  If it was something else that was as rare they would have used it. Sure they would have. Again, gold is often along the same vein as you'll find silver, it often turns into the gold further on in the same vein, so they had them both in the one mine. You'll find the Phoenicians--


Jackie:  Silver turns into gold?


Alan:  Silver will go alongside gold often.


Jackie:  But it doesn't turn into gold?


Alan:  There's a method – I mean even the white gold you see is a mixture of really the two. You see there's an in-between and the two distinct ones and you often also find lead also around the same area, but you'll find the Phoenicians had mines as far as Russia thousands of years ago. What they did was create wars because once they had taken a country over and introduced money, they would get the government, which they then owned, to create a standing army and then they could just use money to pay them. Any country who didn't go along and accept the same system, they would arm them because they also owned the best weapons of the day, no different from today, and they would invade that country, take it over and force the system on them. In those days they called it "civilization."  Today they call it "democracy."


Jackie:  You know Adolph Hitler was bartering. That was one of the things them drove him crazy because according to what I have read, Germany had no gold left after the Weimer Republic and they created a script, just like Abraham Lincoln did, but that they were actually bartering with other nations and they were bartering goods for goods and it drove them nuts. You know what really confirmed it for me? I've got a speech here by Cordele Hull. It was on Labor Day and it was when the U.S. – well, it was in 1941, Labor Day and he was talking about international trade and all this. He said if this present war is not won we will be reduced to barter and I knew that he was talking about Adolph Hitler's barter system and that was driving them absolutely nuts because there were no trade deficits and there were manufactured goods traded for food mostly.


Alan:  Well, I still don't believe that – I think every peoples get used you know. I really think they all get used. All the nations get used. Even if you think you're rebelling against them, they'll put their own men in at the top and guide you along the path.


Jackie:  They put their spin on it too.


Alan:  Because you'll find that Hitler did have Schacht who was his banker and Schacht was a member of the German and Dutch families that were big bankers. If you look at Roosevelt's wife, Eleanor Roosevelt, she did a genealogical chart of her husband in one of her books and you'll find that FDR was related to the Schacht family as well.


Jackie:  When you say Schacht, how are you spelling it?


Alan:  I think it's S-C-H-A-C-H-T.


Jackie:  Oh, like shocked.


Alan:  FDR was related to Hitler's banker and the Dutch families as well of the Schacht and Germans, so everything is a play and the public get used and the real theater of war is a theater. It's a theater you see and to make people believe it was all very real, real people must really die.


Jackie:  Yes, but how many people were told by history in school that Adolph Hitler was bartering? You see, the things that are hidden, Alan, are the things that to me maybe slipped out of their hands, maybe somebody. I considered the same thing with Saddam Hussein, that maybe he was put in power by them. I don't know but I see the possibility that their minions got away with them. Look at JFK and I think he actually got to thinking that he was the president.


Alan:  So did Reagan, that's why they shot him.


Jackie:  Yes exactly, but you see they put him in and I understand at that time that there was in Chicago or Illinois specifically a lot of fraudulent votes to get JFK in, but he got in and then suddenly said what the hell is going on here and so he thought he was the president so they killed him. So I'm saying that some of this people slipped through their hands.


Alan:  I think some of them also get carried away. I've no doubt Saddam did and no doubt Saddam never really looked at the end of the Cold War because his whole power structure was based on being an American ally during the whole thing.


Jackie:  Well, because America – not America, we'll say the U.S. government Inc., they were playing with him, I believe.


Alan:  They did finance him and they did give him weaponry.


Jackie:  I know. That's what I'm saying, but Saddam Hussein was attempting to develop a Pan-Arab collation.Well, that's something that Israel and the U.S. government isn't going to stand for.


Alan:  They've said that. They've said that publicly. Israel came out and said that the New American Century agenda that was drawn up by Wolfowitz and Perle and Rumsfeld and so on, back in the '90's, with the agenda attacking first of all Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Iran, then Syria. They said it was identical to their own. That's what Israel said; so yes, it's one in the same policy. However, in ancient times, what the historians call "spreading civilization," it was the same system there as it created empire after empire and spread civilization. They were standardizing a system across the world and today the U.S. is just completing that job and today they call it democracy.


Jackie:  I think we ought to be really contemplating, really considering that we're going to be some of the ones that slip through their hands because everybody doesn't fall for it, do they, Alan?


Alan:  No. They know that in every generation there are some who, as they say themselves, "slip through the net," the ones whose indoctrination doesn't take so well and they're clever enough to remain free thinkers and hide it through school. Today, of course, if you show it at school, they put you on drugs.


Jackie:  You know what? For me if this broadcast does anything that it would be to open the eyes, open the minds, open the hearts of our listeners that they would be part of the one that slipped through the net, Alan, and you are part of this. You are so much a part of this of informing us and bringing us out of the Dark Ages, out of the forest.


Alan:  People all claim that they want truth and I tell them – and most people want truth like buying a fast-food hamburger and they don't realize that they have to do a lot of work.


Jackie:  Yes. We're out of our hour. You'll be back with us, won't you, Alan?


Alan:  Oh yes.


Jackie:  Thanks for being here.


Alan:  It's a pleasure.



(Transcribed by Linda)