June 24, 2007






Henrik:  Welcome to Red Ice Creations Radio. This is Henrik Palmgren, and this is our Internet talk radio program, recorded from the West Coast of Sweden. You can tune in every Thursday and Sunday for our regular program, and if you want to have full access to our archives, you'll definitely want to check out our subscriber section. You'll find all the information on how to subscribe and be a part of Red Ice Creations on our website 


Again, welcome to our Sunday show.  Today we have our regular guest, Alan Watt, from with us. Alan joins us the last Sunday of each month to help us do just that. That is what is website name implies, cutting through the matrix; and with that, let's say welcome back, Alan Watt. Thank you again for coming on with us.


Alan:  It's a pleasure to be on.


Henrik:  Great to have you back again, Alan. You know, I had a few ideas about today's topics here. I'd like to begin to talk a little bit about some of the fundamentals, so to speak, to go over a few things that I guess the majority of people don't get or don't even consider or think about this. In some sense, very basic stuff to a lot of us, like the topic of the increasing surveillance, centralized control. We have a more and more militarized police force going in. We have the emergence of the cashless society, et cetera. The plan of where the world is heading, as it were; and so if I were to kind of play the fool, so to speak, here today, and ask you a little bit about surveillance, for instance, a common answer in some instances is, “Okay, I know there are a few cameras going in here or there. A bit more surveillance, but that doesn’t hurt me. I've got nothing to hide. In fact, it's there for my security. It's there to keep me safe and protect us all from terrorism or whatever.” That's the kind of an answer I've kind of bumped into a lot when talking about these things.  Alan, what would you say if you got the opportunity to talk to a guy or a gal that had this kind of attitude towards surveillance? What's bad about it?


Alan:  I'd always go back to one of the players in the early 1900’s, Colonel Mandell House, who was an advisor to different presidents. They used to call him "the park bench politician," because he never would talk to anyone unless it was out in the open, away from surveillance and any kind of recording.  He said, "for everything that happens that the public are told, there's always a very good reason, and then there's the real reason."  You see, we're never given a real reason, so it must be plausible; and the plausible is always given to the public. This time it's for surveillance, under the guise of anti-terrorism.


However, a long time ago, even before World War II, huge think tanks—that were employed by the wealthiest men on the planet—went over the world's histories and the peoples.  They decided there were too many conflicts and conflicting interests, between groups and peoples and religions and so on, for the world to have any stability. They, therefore, implemented the next phase of planning the future.  They decided that they would bring the world to its knees, through wars, if necessary, until it has a global government. In the meantime, they would use all techniques to make the public go along with it, because governments thrive in times of war or the threat of war. The people are taxed for research and development, which is used for top-secret weaponry and various kinds of high technologies, so they could advance very quickly to find methods of literally monitoring and watching everyone on the planet. That's where the money was really going during the whole Cold War; and the public didn't complain, because they believed the Cold War was real.


All this stuff we're seeing implemented today is the result of a phony cold war, where only those at the very, very top, on all sides, were in on the act.  They all knew, at the very top, that it was phony, but the guys down below, including many of the departments of MI6 or the CIA, didn't know. Every one of the secret services is compartmentalized from the other. It's a need to know basis. However, during Ronald Reagan's era, they did great strides forward by putting the biggest budgets they'd ever done for the United States. He was the first one to put forth $1 trillion for warfare purposes, research and development and the Star Wars Project.


The Star Wars Project wasn't just to watch other countries. It was to put in advanced technology that would eventually monitor everyone on the planet; and they knew exactly how they were going to do it back then.  They've had about 20 odd years to gradually work and implement it into existence, but they already had the satellites up there that were capable of monitoring each and everyone of us, via either a wearable chip or else an implanted chip. That's how far ahead they plan.


This whole guise of terrorism is phony. We know that because Britain tried to put an anti-terrorist omnibus bill through, in the late '90’s, before 9/11 happened, in the House of Commons; and there was a huge outcry about “they didn't want an ID card, because nothing was happening. The Cold War was over. What was all the fuss?”   They tried to get it implemented in 1998.  In Canada, at the same time, Allan Rock, who was a life-long sort of advisor type politician. He was always at the right places. He's been trained since childhood for his role. He was the minister in charge of law and order and all this kind of stuff.  He single-handedly put through an omnibus crime bill, which was an anti-terrorist bill, in 1998-'99, and even the journalists were saying, "Wait a minute here. This is total marshal law they just put through."  No one complained. No one objected. So they knew what was coming, you see. It was coming because it was planned that way, long before 9/11, including where they would go step-by-step and terrify the public.


They even had the list of countries in the Middle East drawn up that they would have to attack, because they wanted to take over the Middle East, as the last vestige of a different civilization that wouldn't go along with this new type of democracy. Democracy, remember, is never stable. It's always changing its definition.  The New American Century, the "Project for the New American Century" was published in early '92 by Wolfowitz and Cheney and all this bunch that’s in right now.  Then they republished it and abridged it in the late '90’s, with those countries in the Middle East targeted for war; and bang!, 9/11 comes along and the whole world has to go into this anti-terrorist phase. Every single country went into it at the same time, which tells you that, internationally, they'd already drafted up all the agreements to implement it at the right time, because you know how slow politicians work and how bureaucrats work. It takes them years to get something like that all agreed upon, in every country. It tells you there is a coterie at the top, within all the countries, that knew part of an agenda, which the public did not.


Henrik:  That's right. Again, if we were to return to, kind of, I guess on the personal level for the guy on the streets, you know. When would this kind of technology, the surveillance technology, not only cameras then, but also, as you say, the chip obviously is a more direct threat to personal integrity and so forth.  The consensus, in a way, is kind of, "okay, but I play along in the rules that they have set up. I'm not a criminal. I don't disobey and so forth."  In what kind of situation would the surveillance technology become dangerous to these kinds of people?  Do you think that that ever will occur? 


Alan:  No. In fact, in the 1950’s-1960’s, Jacques Ellul, who was a big sociologist, he was an advisor to different countries on peoples and the psychology of whole groups of peoples and nations—wrote books on how it really was. How things really worked.  He mentioned that since 1952, every person in the Western Hemisphere has had personality profiles collected on them, from the beginning of their lives, right through their lives, and that this is available to top levels of police forces. He said, “Whether it's living in a city or a town,” he said, “information is collected in a certain fashion, which the public are completely unaware of. Every single individual.”  They've been doing this, at least openly, since the 1950’s.


Henrik:  Okay. Do you know if this kind of information is available on a global level, or is this kind of locally in different countries or even areas that they profile you, or keep your records as it were?


Alan:  It's international. It started off under the guise of a private security force, which is actually owned by the Rothschild's; and that was Interpol (Inter police).  That was the first one; and all Western countries, the U.S., Canada and all the European countries went to central banks. At that time, they used cardex systems, and eventually put it on the big computer tapes, and then to computers as the years went on.  However, as he stressed, "the public must never be allowed to how this particular kind of data is collected."   Part of the reason was they didn't want the public to know that every little single area, village and so on, has people placed within it, who collect data, through gossip, primarily.  Through gossip and through the Eastern Star (a female branch of Freemasonry), they collected all the gossip and data on everyone. They have been for 50-odd years at least.


Henrik:  Like what’s hanging out in pubs or on the street, and picking up the talk of the town, is that it?


Alan:  That's it; and that was an old strategy, because Lawrence of Arabia, who was picked at Cambridge, amongst others, and trained in Aramaic and Arabic languages, was sent off with many of them over to the Middle East, heavily financed by London.  They began newspapers in the Middle East.  He tells you in his own book, "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom."  He tells you that his job (and the rest of them) was to set up local Arabic newspapers and feed them data, gossip, little stories like we get fed everyday here.  Then they would send out agents into the bars, the bizarres et cetera, to collect all the gossip, to see if the people were actually debating the topics they were giving them, and coming to the conclusions they wanted the people to reach.  That went on for over 150 years, this kind of data collection.


Henrik:  I guess they were successful down there, considering what Lawrence managed to do?


Alan:  Yes. Even at the time, London had over one-and-a-half thousand spies, throughout London, just doing the same stuff with the British people to collect data. Always keeping ahead of the game. What are the peasants unruly about? What's getting them angry?  Again, “are they falling for the stories of trivia we're giving them and debating it, and debating the politics that we give them to debate?” (All that stuff.)  This is nothing new.  There's nothing new in it. The only thing that's new is we're far more under a better scientific control today with the use of television. Television comes into everyone's home. You've had generations now that have grown up with television. It's taken the place of even people or babysitters. It has been a babysitter for many; and that's how they pumped a different version of reality into the minds of the public, and still do. Most folk, regardless of their age, never question why that television is there. What kind of programming is put out by specific types of experts? What is it doing to their actual mind? They question nothing, but they do believe what they're told.


Henrik:  Oh yes, exactly.  We have shows like (we've talked about this on the show before) “24,” and you see a bunch of them out there in a way, and in many instances stressing the idea if it's okay if we only could somehow, either its about chipping someone for the security of the person themselves (the character in the series), or it's about, at least some instances, even to allow torture, for instance, to extract the information from agents and so forth.  Of course, those kinds of things allegedly were why the United States invaded Iraq, because there was not humanitarian stuff going on in Iraq. Of course, torture was prominent as it were, but now the western world in that sense is ending up in the same place, you know.


Alan: We know, even when they had the open inquiry with George Bush and some of the heads present, it was televised in Canada when he was asked straight out, "Why did you go into Iraq, because we found no weapons of mass destruction, and he had nothing to do with 9/11?”   George Bush said, "I know he had nothing to with 9/11."  He said, "he was just a bad man and the world is a better place without him."  That's what he said on national television.  It had nothing to do with 9/11.


Henrik:  Yeah, and as long as people don't have the memory to remember why they’re there or even when 9/11 happened incredibly.


Alan: Yes.  They did a poll in Canada and the States after he was on television saying that, about six months later.  The polls showed that regardless of the fact that he admitted that Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, the media had done such a good job of convincing the public of the opposite, that they all thought that Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for 9/11.


Henrik:  Yes, exactly. What about, let's take another example, of centralized control within politics or whatever? People who can still, on a few levels, recognize that the local powers are being withdraw and centralized, either if it’s the European Union or if it's the Pan American Union, or whatever it is. People who don't spot the dangers within that, why is that bad? What would you say to a person like that?


Alan:  You can't educate someone on a lot of information in a short space of time. In a sense, too, people do choose where they are in their own head-space and what they want to know. You can come up with plenty of evidence, written by big players in history, to do with the European Union; and it's not just a union. It's much, much more than just an economic union. It was a plan for a whole new way of living, beyond what we've been trained to think is normal now. Now we work Pavlovian-style for rewards. We reward ourselves, and we put our work and our time in, and we buy little trinkets of junk from China that generally breakdown very quickly and end up in the garbage.  That's Pavlovian training. We think that's normal because we've been trained to think that's normal. That's what we think existence is all about—putting up with hardship and rewarding yourself every month.


The next system is to cut down on all resources; and they've said for the last 100 years, they would not allow us to go on consuming in this fashion. Therefore, the next step is actually to take over the mind of the individual, completely, because they said, even at the League of Nations, their war was on individuality. The masses of people were easy to control. It's the individuals that created the problems, because some individuals could see through the charade and know or be able to vocalize that the king had no clothes.


They decided long ago that they'd have to use science; and science would be the savior to bring peace to the world.  They define peace as "the absence, basically, of individual thought" or the ability to have individual thought. Science would bring them to a stage where they could control the mind of every person.  Even with the Loyola meetings in Louisiana they've had over the last few years (world science meetings), they say that the chip is ready to go; and once it's installed, the guy from Tokyo said, "think of it like a beehive. The sound will be the buzzing of the communications of supercomputers giving information to those around you, and to you, and information going back again."  He said, "there'll be no such thing as individuality and no ability for an individual to even perceive of themselves as a distinct, separate individual."  Science is going to be their savior to create this global tyranny.


However, they've admitted that the elite themselves will not have this chip because they need to retain their survival mechanisms, because they will be guiding the world, whereas the public won't need it because the State and the experts (the technocrats they call them) will be dealing or making all your decisions for you.


Henrik:  Yeah. It's about developing a worker force, I guess, in a way, a robotized humanity, and being able to use them for the purposes that they see fit, I guess.


Alan:  Yeah. ID also means "Ideal Design." 


Henrik:  Hmm, interesting.


Alan:  They’re going to redesign special humans after that phase; and no one will object, because no one could possibly even think of themselves to object.  Also, bring in more specialized types of humans, just like Plato talked about 2,300 years ago.


Henrik:  You mentioned the Loyola meeting. Does that go back to Ignatius Loyola?


Alan:  That was what it was named after. It was a Catholic college and university; and that's where they held these science meetings for the big boys in the microchip business.  The first one was headed off by Newt Gingrich, and he gave the opening speech.  Then they went through the format of what they have, of how these chips have a protoplasmic covering which will embed itself and attach itself like little tendrils through your nervous system, and be able to pass information directly into the neurons (your nerves) to the brain, and vice versa; and that is all ready to go. All they have to do now is to convince the public, by one way or another, to accept it.  They would fund novelists, movie writers, science-fiction writers to make this all desirable to the youth; and sure enough, after the first meeting, we suddenly had lots of movies come out where the super heroes all had "enhancements," you might call it, with these chips in them.


Henrik:  I'm thinking about the "Star Wars" movie, of course, with the cyborgs and the borgs, basically.  We talked a little bit about this, the nano-tech connection with all of this; and it's seems like this kind of technology will greatly advance an agenda like this, to actually have nano-bots going into you—introduced into your system, somehow, either through the air deliverance, chemtrail spraying, whatever, through the food, basically, or some other kind of deliverance method.  What are the dangers here? I mean, what are the potentials? What are the dangers?  It seems like, in a way, we're standing on this edge here, basically. Is resistance futile to all this?


Alan:  We are on the edge. You're right on.  This is the last step of this phase; and they've even discussed if they could hype up tension and fear amongst the public and announce this, also, which I'm waiting to see Oprah or some of the big players start to push it; and they've had some medical journals out on it. They've said that they can stimulate various natural sedatives or tranquilizers from the brain, so the brain could actually be used to create its own tranquilizers, via a chip which will stimulate certain parts of it.  If they can hype it with enough fear and bring this forth as a form of natural tranquility without drugs, the people will also go for it—just to get relief.


Henrik:  Yeah, exactly. Heighten up the stimulants, so people are sedated back again. This reminds me of Delgado, who did some experiments, the guy who was actually capable of stopping a bull after implanting a microchip inside the bull.  Do you remember this?


Alan:  Yes. Delgado worked for the FBI departments and the CIA. If you want to know who's been spearheading the whole movement, it's the industrial military complex that Eisenhower warned the public about in his farewell address. These characters have funded all of this into being, because they knew exactly where they were going, a long time ago.  Delgado was one of many; Tavistock Institute was also heavily involved.  Aldous Huxley visited Tavistock, often, to watch the experiments where they put wires in patient's brains and made them do the same stuff.  What Delgado was doing to show the public had already been done on humans in Tavistock.  There's nothing new in it.


Henrik:  That's one of the speculations, of course. Obviously, how far have they actually gone and how weird can it get?   It feels like the things that we know that are put out through the mainstream or regular science journals, or whatever up on our level, is way behind, in a way. However, the question is, as you say, we have DARPA with the trillions of dollars budgets, experimenting just on every conceivable level to actually develop new weaponry. We have what are called "active denial systems".  We have the nano-dust type of things. We even have development about recruiting, basically, animals—insect armies and even rodents and rats, and even sharks, I guess.  How weird do you think it is actually, on the lower levels, on the levels that we are not aware of yet?


Alan:  When anything's admitted, it's antique. That's what I've always found in history. These are all developed, as I say, under high secrecy under Official Secrets Acts; and they don't publish it in Popular Science magazines until it's really antique; and they are way, way ahead, absolutely.  Zbigniew Brzezinski, who specialized in the field of Technetronics and mind control of the huge masses, this guy was up in the State Department, up in the Defense Department of the U.S., for years.  He's been an advisor to many presidents (still is); and he brought his book out called, "Between Two Ages," and he means that—two ages.  They're talking about vast years of time, in the high Masonic tradition, when they call it ages.


He said in the "Technetronic Era"  (that was the chapter), "the public will shortly be unable to come to conclusions by themselves. There will be forces acting on them."  He was talking about, basically, an electrical type technology which would affect their minds; and they'd be unable to even know that their moods, their thoughts are being directed by a very few people "in the know," at the top.   He was talking about just the simple HAARP technologies, which they've over 54 of them worldwide that we know of, but they also have portable ones for the military; and that alone has been used nationwide, continent-wide.  Actually, I've got all the frequencies here of the HAARP. You can pick it up 24 hours a day now. It never stops; and it hasn't for five years.  They’re using it already on the public, that alone; and they know it can make people very depressed or excited, or angry or apathetic or tired. All of these technologies are working right now.


Henrik:  Are these working on the brain activity frequency, or what's going on there? Do you know?


Alan:  See, medicine for many years, unknown to the public, (and again, the higher levels through the military industrial complex), they realized a long, long time ago that every little chain in your body and different little messages carried in your bloodstream or through your tissue, through different types of cells, work because each cell -- there's many kinds of cells and tissue in your body. Each cell has its own vibrational frequency, and it's no different from a radio. A radio has an oscillator, a coil that oscillates a vibration; and when you tune in and make it vibrate at a certain frequency, then the incoming signal (if it is the same from a station and they both match), you can then reinterpret the original signal that's being sent out. The body works the same way; and so your cells, which receive the messages, are vibrating; and when the particular proteins and the amino acids are coming along in the right chain towards those cells, they'll vibrate at the same frequency, and it's pulled out towards them. It attracts them; and that's how it gets its food and nourishment and its messages on very, very low energy pulses.


The military was very involved in that because they could literally rewire a person. They could stop your heart. They could give you high blood pressure. They could give you low blood pressure. They could basically alter the language, the healthy language of anyone's body by understanding the language of each type of tissue, with its own specific frequency vibration.  It’s the same thing with thoughts. That's how, basically, they can implant thoughts in peoples minds, too. It's a language using various electro-chemical stimuli, remotely, which your brain will interpret what you think is your own thoughts, but it's not.   They've got papers out on this now, meaning, again, it's obsolete. It's old technology.


Henrik:   Do you know if they've conducted any larger experiments with these kinds of things, lets say, over a war area to disperse the enemy or whatever? Do you know if there have been larger tests on this, actually implemented?


Alan:  Not only on an enemy, see, what we have to realize is—we are the enemy.


Henrik:  Oh yeah, of course.


Alan:  That's the trick here. For instance: all the declassified information that every western country has today about using their own troops for experiments, and using prisoners in federal prisons for experiments.  Even so much as in 1948 to use a combined effort with the U.S. and Canadian government, giving acquiescence to the U.S. military to spray over Calgary in Canada, for weeks at low level with a specific substance.  Then follow the health histories of all the people in the city, down through the years, to find out how this caused various kinds of cancers. This is all declassified stuff. We are the enemy to the elite. They have no nation. They're international.


Even Norwich, in England, the British Navy released tons and tons of gas from just off the ocean, and let it blow towards Norwich.  They used cadmium, one of the most carcinogenic agents you can find; and then they studied the health of the people, down through the years, to watch how they died off, and how many et cetera. We're all the enemy.  Now the HAARP technology was used openly, because they admitted it in the British newspapers, in Gulf War I, and you saw thousands of the troops coming up and giving themselves up, totally stunned, completely stunned.  They hadn't been under any artillery barrage, and yet were captured; and then Britain admitted it had used HAARP-type electromagnetic pulse frequencies on them for 24 hours.  They were not only confused and stunned, but they had to be led because they couldn't think for themselves, their minds were knocked out of action, all together. Maine, in the U.S., were the first people that admitted (so far) that the HAARP technology from Alaska was used on to study, as a people, to see the effects on them. They had a lawsuit against the federal government for doing it.


Henrik:  Really?


Alan:  Yeah.


Henrik:  If we were to turn a little bit to some of the technologies’ potential out there.  There is, of course, a lot of chit-chatter about also the development and consequent implementation of viruses into the natural environment. There's still talks about the bird flu, even. What is it called? H5N1. Various dangers that, of course, are related to this virus.  I'm asking this also because I know you were recently on the Dr. Deagle show, Bill Deagle, and I know that he mentioned this among other things, of course, in one of his talks that I watched about the potential of actually letting out a virus, either in 2007 or 2008, maybe something like that. Either if it's H5N1 or if it's something other, I don't know. Do you have any ideas or even theories about this? Do you think they will do this at some point or not?


Alan:  Yeah. What is curious, what is very interesting is that everything that you can find in the Book of Revelations (in the New Testament) has been used, but science was doing it. They're actually following it like a plan.  Everything from earthquakes (which HAARP can do), to heat, cold all these kind of things, to plague, famine, pestilence—all can be done today through science. In fact, it has been done on an ongoing basis, for quite a few years now.


For instance, Monsanto not only has genetically modified our food, and it's not to help the plants, believe you me; and you think about that alone; and there's not outcry that your staple needs—water, food, clothing et cetera—they've made war on your staple needs and give you no say in it, whatsoever. They just did it. They're at war with you. Then you go in to see Monsanto's also altered different kinds of insects.


Henrik:  Yes, definitely.


Alan:  Now they admitted, and I've got some of the patents here.  For instance, a few years ago, we had a plague of ladybugs and they were biting people (and I mean plague of them, a real pestilence). The Canadian government came on as usual and said, "We don't know anything about it, and they don't bite and yah-de-yah-de-yah.” A month later, it got so bad the Department of Agriculture came out and said, "Well, yeah, we did release millions of them, but they don't bite."  Then, a month later, they came out and said, "Well, yeah they're slightly modified and different kinds there, but some of them do bite."  They’re at a lot of stuff; they're giving us the build up the pestilences. Warfare departments, a long time ago, (since World War II that we know of), and this is declassified in a book by a Canadian reporter for the Toronto Star, called "Deadly Allies."  It's about Canada's role in the military-industrial-complex with bacterial and viral warfare, because Canada leads the world, by the way. Little, pristine, white-snow-covered Canada leads the world in this research; and they've been going into biting insects, mosquitoes, and all kinds of biting insects were the ideal carriers to carry disease.


Henrik:  Oh, really?


Alan:  They bred special types of mosquitoes and Belleville, in Ontario, and it's still on the go today, from World War II right to the present; and they ship them down to the U.S., where it goes to Plum Island and different places, and the Center of Disease Control. Good title, that: Center for Disease Control—they control the diseases.  Biting insects, especially, are their main foremost way of carrying coming plagues.


Henrik:  Is that also a kind of theme very prominently within religious scripture, especially the bible, about swarms of grasshoppers or different kinds of insects that actually come over an area and actually leave the country desolate and totally wasteland, basically?


Alan:  Absolutely. When you look at the last 30 years with the government intrusion, first giving out the bait of various tax exemptions to farmers, then coming in with demands, and then putting them out of business; and now you have the big agri-food businesses—ConAgra, ADM (which is just Adam) and all the big ones. They now have decided—and they did in the Free Trade negotiations for NAFTA—that they would put the major producers of fruit and vegetables in Latin America.  They've basically destroyed most of the farming in Canada and the States; and so it's quite easy now to withhold the food from Canadians and release pestilences here that would destroy whatever little is produced here. It’s very simple. What you have to do is study military history, because it's nothing to do, really—the part where the guys who are facing the guys with guns and they charge each other, that's only a little piece of it. Most of warfare is to do with economics, scientific strategy, scientific weaponry; and they go after the basic needs of peoples.


Henrik:  That's right, definitely.


Alan:  That's why the bees have been eliminated, too.


Henrik:  Yeah, how about that? What's your take on that? Is that something or is there still coming out reports on that or has this been resolved in anyway?


Alan:  Oh, no, they're just “stunned.” They just “don't know.”


Henrik:  Okay.


Alan:  They're stunned. Now they could probably make a bee from scratch and rearrange the genes and make it whatever type of bee they wanted to, but they just don't know what on earth is causing it. They are totally “stumped,” yeah.


Henrik:  This is obviously a thing that consequently would affect the entire food industry or the food supply of everybody.


Alan:   "Deadly Allies" is quite an interesting book. The declassified documents in the book, it's all from government—declassified books or papers. They discuss every means to take down peoples and whole nations.   They discussed ways of stopping pollination, back in World War II, and think tanks.  They also discussed Banting, the great hero that liked to dissect dogs to get his name in the history books. Really, his main job was working for the military industrial complex; and he came up with a kind of disease that is identical, if not the same, as what we call "Mad Cow Disease."  He wanted this to infect every cow and every animal in Germany, to kill off the entire protein food supply in World War II.  It’s the same things with channeling out little tunnels in the brain, spongiform encephalitis, and those who would eat it.  It's old stuff.  It's all military weaponry that's being used today.


Henrik:  This is about the structure of nature, in itself, falling apart because of this.  We talked about this before, but that is a question that we have to return to again and again, to actually consider it and ponder upon it, in that fact on what the heck is actually is going on?  What the heck is the nature of these people who are performing it?  In a way, you know, you can see it, as you said earlier that this is so compartmentalized, the people within the structures themselves don't know what they are doing or what the consequences of their work actually is going to be. However, as you say, someone at the top, at least in that sense, is aware of the big picture and looking upon all these compartmentalized areas and seeing what's going on in that way. What do you think the plan is from their point of view?  Or are they up to colonizing Mars or the Moon or something like that, where they can escape, too, you know?


Alan:  I'm sure they already have their escape routes done, since an elite always takes care of itself, in all ages, first and foremost.  They've all of us to take the money from or whatever they use, to get us working for them, to make it all happen for them. It's quite an interesting system, but we do know they have many underground bases across the planet. Not only underground bases, we know the Canadian government created all these ladybugs; and that's only one type they've released now. I don't know what else they've released, but they had huge facilities and they are underground, as well, unknown to the public.  This came out, really, when they'd legalized government-issued marijuana for medical reasons a few years ago.  Then they admitted, just like that, first time in history, this little quip came on the CBC: the Canadian government grew it in underground laboratories.  These are old, old techniques, so if you want to hide something, you put it under the ground where no one can see it.


Henrik:  That's right.  I actually was on a tour here in Sweden, just a few weeks ago.  They were not specifically underground bases, but they were old military mountain facilities that were directly drilled into the mountains themselves, where they actually used explosives to detonate inside of the mountains, and then just build a house within that area of where they cleared with the dynamite and so forth.  They're right there in a lot of these cities around the west coast here; and people have no idea that they're actually right there in the town centers.  In some instances, they were just behind the government building or in connection with the police department.  They're all right there, but that only, of course, is that begs the question, okay, so these are the facilities that are, in a way, on the top surface. It would be very interesting to see how deep they go and how far, and even how big some of these facilities are.  I've heard speculations, if we were to talk about the U.S., again, that there is underlying tunnels that actually connects the entire country underneath the surface. Do you know if that is the case? Do you think so?


Alan:  Yeah. I do know of some Indians that came across something. They were hunting an animal, and they went into the bush, and it turned out to be artificial, not the real thing.  In the middle of it, there was something like a ship’s air vent that comes up, like an umbrella, you know, with a handle with a walking stick, and there was a manhole type cover with artificial turf on it.  They hauled it up and looked inside, and there was two railroad tracks underneath there. Then they saw the cameras around, so they got out quick.  They do have them. They've been building these for years.


The Rand Corporation owns the largest underground boring machines in the world, and they have a lot of them based in Greenland; and that's also where they have another HAARP facility, one of the big U.S. HAARP facilities.  The Rand machine was even in Popular Mechanics some years ago. This thing could bore through any kind of rock or tunnel at the speed of five miles per hour (even hard granite).  It didn't say how it was fueled or powered, but it would create such heat that it would literally melt and then petrify the rock behind it, which formed the casing of the tunnel, a complete finished tunnel.


Henrik:  Oh, interesting.  There were some very large machines involved a few years ago. There was a big scandal here in Sweden; they were boring a new train tunnel through an area.  I saw a picture of this actually, in what's the guys name again? I can’t remember now. He wrote an entire book called "Underground Bases and Tunnels". Anyway, I forget the name.  They show this picture of this huge machine, just as you say, that could bore through the entire huge area to have the trains go through this tunnel; and so these are very real and very extensive, so there's nothing -- no doubt about that.  If they actually used this up in public, so to speak, this incredible machine, the question is, again, what the heck do they actually have down there?   There could be even larger. There could be even more efficient. I've even heard they've actually used, what was it? A nuclear type explosion within the mountains, but they actually have some kind of -- I think it actually is a bacteria that actually eats away radiation, so you can actually go down into these tunnels after they have detonated a nuke or minor nuclear explosion, so it's safe to go down there. I have no idea if this is true, but these are speculations I've heard, so very interesting stuff, definitely.


Alan:  They have many ways to blast rock, even photon beams; and even the HAARP type technology, they can actually pulse it at such a frequency that literally it shatters everything in front of it.  They can also superheat it using HAARP, the standing wave type technology, directed beam. They can cause such superheat—that, itself, will cause several nuclear explosions.


Henrik:  Okay. Is it like melting the mountain, but from the inside, almost?


Alan:   Yes.


Henrik:  Very interesting. One thing also, I did want to run by you here before we finish off this segment, is some speculation, of course, around the areas of developing chimeras and so forth, the animal-human hybrids or mixed-between genetics. I know there is one kind of historical aspect to this: there was an article in "The Scotsman" about two years ago that they have uncovered documents pointing to, for instance, that Stalin was actually trying to develop a half-human/half-ape kind of super-warrior.  However, this is only one, of course, of all the speculations; and also, of course, uncovered documents that are out there.  Do you think that they're performing this kind of mixing and blending of species now in the underground laboratories and stuff like this?


Alan:  They're doing it in the open, too. Most of the fish you’ll even catch in your lake have been modified. They are chimeras. I've got a video here, and parts of it are from the Canadian Ministry of Fisheries, where they show the rolls of conveyor belts, little streams going along these conveyor belts with fish in them.  There are women along there every five feet or so, and they'd pick up a fish every few seconds, touch it against a little post that uses insufflation techniques to inject into it without breaking the skin. It literally goes right through, diffuses through the skin, and they use e-coli with attached DNA to go right in deep in the fish’s cells. Once that's in the cell of the fish, whenever an older cell dies off, the new type is coming in. The altered type will reproduce itself and become, eventually, the full fish. They've already done that; and they're putting them back into the lakes they take them from, so they can eventually re-modify all of the fish in all the lakes and the sea.


This has been going on for years—huge projects, unknown to the public.  What amazed me wasn't just the fact that they were actually doing it. It was the speed at which they could do it. All the old problems had been ironed out, obviously, and it was all a very fast process.  A chimera is no problem. A chimera really is just a different species. If you would take chimera, literally all the food you're eating now is basically chimera-based, including all your vegetables. They're mixtures of plants, animals, insects, everything.


Henrik:  Yes, exactly. Wasn't it human genes in some new kind of rice, and even tomatoes, I think, and fish?


Alan:  Yes. They've had them in a lot of pigs in the U.S., for years.


Henrik:  Okay. A fish, what was it, mixed between potatoes, I think, and fish. They used some DNA that actually makes the potatoes resistant to freezing temperatures, I think?


Alan:  That's right. See, insects have a natural anti-freeze in them. They actually change their composition towards winter, and that's why they can survive through the winter during the static or stasis stage.  They took those particular cells that create this type of anti-freeze and put them in the food.


Henrik:  You know, Alan, I think that this is a great place to round things up for this segment.  We're going to continue within the subscriber section and talk a little bit more, but before we do that, as usual, in any case, we have new listeners with us, or new people, that come to your material and your work and so forth.  Tell them about your website, of course, and also some of the things that you have up there on your website.


Alan:  Yes. They can checkout and my other site for Europe, and they'll find lots of stuff.  Lots of my talks are for free to download; and just a very few things that I do sell, which go deeper into the system and some of the tricks it employs, including the deciphering of the alphabet and all the other codes. At least a couple of the code levels that are used, and the public don't even realize they're used on them, everyday.  They can check out those sites and download as much as they want for free, and print it up and pass information around.


Henrik:  Okay, excellent. Thank you, Alan and it's Everybody, do check it out. 



(Transcribed by Linda)